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Effect One
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#41 - 2013-07-18 08:42:34 UTC
Did you lose your shiny Tengu to a Thrasher and neutral logi then come to the forums expecting sympathy but actually get your arse handed to again - albeit textually this time rather than digitally - by any chance?

'This might be internet spaceships, but it's not rocket science to protect yourself and fly with a little common sense' - CCP Falcon
Templar Knightsbane
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#42 - 2013-07-18 12:43:33 UTC
Kyperion wrote:
I was completely and ridiculously NOT fitted for a PVP engagement.


Ever thought this is WHY the pirate targeted you?
lollerwaffle
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#43 - 2013-07-18 13:07:10 UTC
Kyperion wrote:
I chose to engage the -10 ninja salvager, in a situation I knew I would probably lose. But it doesn't make sense to me all these scumbags running around ganking people without consequences, and when you have to fit your ship or fly entirely DIFFERENT ships for PVE/PVP... a player shooting at you without getting concorded is NOT a meaningful consequence.... if the PVP crowd wants to engage PVE even if they don't want it, CCP should either make the NPCs maniacally hunt the pirates, or make PVP/PVE fitting and ships the same ergo, I could easily PVE AND PVP in the same ship with the same fitting.

Troll.

1/10 for getting to 2 pages.

-10 pirates don't ninja salvage in hisec.

Also, PVE in PVP capable ships then, easy peasy lemonsqueezy
Eugene Kerner
TunDraGon
Goonswarm Federation
#44 - 2013-07-18 13:08:48 UTC
oh look,
one of those threads.
Honestly...this is pathetic.

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TharOkha
0asis Group
#45 - 2013-07-18 13:08:57 UTC  |  Edited by: TharOkha
Kyperion wrote:
Security status once it drops to 0 should always be negative and merely jumping into a high sec system should get a pirate killed, the same way the U.S. Navy and British Navy before terminated with extreme prejudice pirate scumbags.


There are already consequences for pirates. If you are -5 you are free to shoot for everybody and also attacked by npc militia. if you commit a crime yoy are flagged= free to shoot.

Hisec doesnt meant invulnerability for you. Hisec means inevitable consequences for players with bad intentions.

EDIT: I cannot believe that im explaining such trivials to 2008 char. 3/10

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Venom13Games
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#46 - 2013-07-18 13:35:09 UTC
lollerwaffle wrote:
Also, PVE in PVP capable ships then, easy peasy lemonsqueezy


I do all my PvE in PvP fit ships, even when I lived in highsec. Never know when you'll get the chance to surprise someone. Works surprising well, you just have to accept the fact that you won't be getting the max return from your PvE'ing.
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#47 - 2013-07-18 14:41:51 UTC
Venom13Games wrote:
lollerwaffle wrote:
Also, PVE in PVP capable ships then, easy peasy lemonsqueezy


I do all my PvE in PvP fit ships, even when I lived in highsec. Never know when you'll get the chance to surprise someone. Works surprising well, you just have to accept the fact that you won't be getting the max return from your PvE'ing.


I find an Apocalypse, curiously enough, to be quite handy for this. With the (ridiculous) tracking it has on it, you can often blap most destroyers before they can warp out, so you can lol at them from losing a ship, and just warp to a safe.

So, although I was very skeptical of the tracking bonus when it was first proposed, I now bow before the new Apoc. Especially since it no longer looks like a pimp comb.

But seriously, why do people not have safe spots in areas where they mission? I mean, unless you are flying something as fat as an Orca in a L4, there is no damn way he can warp out, ship up, and drop back on you before you can just warp to a safe, and watch D-scan til your timer runs out.

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One of ours, ten of theirs.

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Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#48 - 2013-07-18 14:54:06 UTC
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Venom13Games wrote:
lollerwaffle wrote:
Also, PVE in PVP capable ships then, easy peasy lemonsqueezy


I do all my PvE in PvP fit ships, even when I lived in highsec. Never know when you'll get the chance to surprise someone. Works surprising well, you just have to accept the fact that you won't be getting the max return from your PvE'ing.


I find an Apocalypse, curiously enough, to be quite handy for this. With the (ridiculous) tracking it has on it, you can often blap most destroyers before they can warp out, so you can lol at them from losing a ship, and just warp to a safe.

So, although I was very skeptical of the tracking bonus when it was first proposed, I now bow before the new Apoc. Especially since it no longer looks like a pimp comb.

But seriously, why do people not have safe spots in areas where they mission? I mean, unless you are flying something as fat as an Orca in a L4, there is no damn way he can warp out, ship up, and drop back on you before you can just warp to a safe, and watch D-scan til your timer runs out.


Or better yet, an instadock bookmark within the docking radius of your home station.

Warp to instadock bookmark, instantly dock, go make a sandwich while your timer runs out.

Currently my favourite sandwich is peppered smoked mackerel, watercress and wasabi mayo on rye bread. Try adding a few thin slices of a sharp apple like a bramley to add some crunch and a juicy acidic backnote. And in this hot weather, why not get yourself a tall glass of iced white wine cooler as well?

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
dexington
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#49 - 2013-07-18 15:03:06 UTC
Malcanis wrote:
Currently my favourite sandwich is peppered smoked mackerel, watercress and wasabi mayo on rye bread. Try adding a few thin slices of a sharp apple like a bramley to add some crunch and a juicy acidic backnote. And in this hot weather, why not get yourself a tall glass of iced white wine cooler as well?


A sandwich with no mustard, and white win cooler... while it sounds mighty fancy, i think i'll just have a beer.

I'm a relatively respectable citizen. Multiple felon perhaps, but certainly not dangerous.
SencneS
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#50 - 2013-07-18 16:23:00 UTC
Kyperion wrote:
....CCP should either make the NPCs maniacally hunt the pirates....


Why would NPC Pirates manically hunt pod pirates?

If anything they should recognize each other and give each other a courtesy of not engaging.

The only thing I always though would make sense is why do CCP pay -10 pirates for killing NPC pirates. That's like paying known criminals money for solving crimes, and not arrest them! Personally I would much prefer bounty to be held in tags, you turn the tags into your local concord office.

However, If CCP made it so a -10 Pod Pilot received 0 ISK, but still gained standing, and a +5 got 100% of the bounty instantly, and anything in between was just a percentage of the bounty. I would accept that as an alternative, however sec status gains for killing is still the normal rate regardless of standing.
CompleteFailure
DAWGS Corp.
Negative Feedback
#51 - 2013-07-18 16:25:51 UTC
Kyperion wrote:

A new player or player in a PVE fit does NOT have a choice to engage only to die...


Kyperion wrote:

I chose to engage the -10 ninja salvager, in a situation I knew I would probably lose.


You caused the situation you're complaining about, not the pirate. Live with your choices.
Azami Nevinyrall
172.0.0.1
#52 - 2013-07-18 16:25:59 UTC
Kyperion wrote:
Security status once it drops to 0 should always be negative and merely jumping into a high sec system should get a pirate killed, the same way the U.S. Navy and British Navy before terminated with extreme prejudice pirate scumbags.

It already has negative effects with current mechanics in place...

You're too lazy to enforce them when you get suicide ganked, so you b*tch about it on the forums and ask CCP to fix stupid...

...
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#53 - 2013-07-18 16:26:44 UTC
SencneS wrote:
Kyperion wrote:
....CCP should either make the NPCs maniacally hunt the pirates....


Why would NPC Pirates manically hunt pod pirates?

If anything they should recognize each other and give each other a courtesy of not engaging.

The only thing I always though would make sense is why do CCP pay -10 pirates for killing NPC pirates. That's like paying known criminals money for solving crimes, and not arrest them! Personally I would much prefer bounty to be held in tags, you turn the tags into your local concord office.

However, If CCP made it so a -10 Pod Pilot received 0 ISK, but still gained standing, and a +5 got 100% of the bounty instantly, and anything in between was just a percentage of the bounty. I would accept that as an alternative, however sec status gains for killing is still the normal rate regardless of standing.


Also why does concord and the navies let NPC pirates into their space?
Lugia3
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#54 - 2013-07-18 16:41:38 UTC
Kyperion wrote:
Jake Warbird wrote:
Kyperion wrote:
Security status once it drops to 0 should always be negative and merely jumping into a high sec system should get a pirate killed, the same way the U.S. Navy and British Navy before terminated with extreme prejudice pirate scumbags.

Got ganked by a -10 today, eh?

I chose to engage the -10 ninja salvager, in a situation I knew I would probably lose. But it doesn't make sense to me all these scumbags running around ganking people without consequences, and when you have to fit your ship or fly entirely DIFFERENT ships for PVE/PVP... a player shooting at you without getting concorded is NOT a meaningful consequence.... if the PVP crowd wants to engage PVE even if they don't want it, CCP should either make the NPCs maniacally hunt the pirates, or make PVP/PVE fitting and ships the same ergo, I could easily PVE AND PVP in the same ship with the same fitting.


He went suspect by stealing from your wrecks. You are whining that he doesn't get CONCORDed after YOU agreed to consensual PvP via shooting him? Take some responsibility for your own actions.

HTFU or GTFO.

"CCP Dolan is full of shit." - CCP Bettik
Kult Altol
The Safe Space
#55 - 2013-07-18 16:55:49 UTC
What exactly is a "pirate".

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Frostys Virpio
State War Academy
Caldari State
#56 - 2013-07-18 17:23:15 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
SencneS wrote:
Kyperion wrote:
....CCP should either make the NPCs maniacally hunt the pirates....


Why would NPC Pirates manically hunt pod pirates?

If anything they should recognize each other and give each other a courtesy of not engaging.

The only thing I always though would make sense is why do CCP pay -10 pirates for killing NPC pirates. That's like paying known criminals money for solving crimes, and not arrest them! Personally I would much prefer bounty to be held in tags, you turn the tags into your local concord office.

However, If CCP made it so a -10 Pod Pilot received 0 ISK, but still gained standing, and a +5 got 100% of the bounty instantly, and anything in between was just a percentage of the bounty. I would accept that as an alternative, however sec status gains for killing is still the normal rate regardless of standing.


Also why does concord and the navies let NPC pirates into their space?


They never raelly lives long enough to get a low enough sec status/empire negative standing I guess...
Soylent Jade
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#57 - 2013-07-18 17:44:44 UTC
lollerwaffle wrote:
-10 pirates don't ninja salvage in hisec.



I'm surprised it took until page 3 for someone to call BS on this.

Making hisec better...one Catalyst at a time

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Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation
The Honda Accord
#58 - 2013-07-18 17:47:01 UTC
I am waiting for every race to issue letters of marque, it would work like this, get your standing to 10 with the race in question, apply to a special agent and you can openly shoot anyone in high sec except the race in question in the space owned by the race that issues it, you pay a "tax" for each kill based on the value.

Now there is a change in high sec dynamics!!! Lol

I think I'd also want "Pirate" and eventually "Dread Pirate" added to your name based on how much you killed.... Pirate

Issler
Fairren
HellrisCorp
#59 - 2013-07-18 21:13:17 UTC
Make posting **** threads have REAL consequences.
Nyancat Audeles
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#60 - 2013-07-18 21:18:08 UTC
Kyperion wrote:
Security status once it drops to 0 should always be negative and merely jumping into a high sec system should get a pirate killed, the same way the U.S. Navy and British Navy before terminated with extreme prejudice pirate scumbags.

Awwww, did you get ganked with 10 plex in your shuttle again?