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Why nerf high sec?

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SmokinDank
Horizon Research Group
#101 - 2013-07-18 10:28:43 UTC
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No one cares because they accept that high sec has an element of risk.


Pull the other one, it's got bells on.

I would argue the opposite, and seen it posted several times in this forum, that people stay in high sec because they don't want any risk.

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Infinity Ziona
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#102 - 2013-07-18 10:38:14 UTC
Malcanis wrote:
Infinity Ziona wrote:
They make 10% per hour of the null sec pve guy and accept they could be ganked at any time


You're lying.

The correct way to say that is "i believe you are incorrect"

Let me ask you a question, does undocking a loot pinata in a typically busy highsec mission system provide consent to be PvPed? I believe the correct answer is yes.

Let me ask you a follow up question, does refusing to PvE while nuetrals are in local deny consent to be PvPd? I believe the correct answer is yes.

One can only conclude granted my presumptions are true, that I am being truthful.

CCP Fozzie “We can see how much money people are making in nullsec and it is, a gigantic amount, a shit-ton… in null sec anomalies. “*

Kaalrus pwned..... :)
SmokinDank
Horizon Research Group
#103 - 2013-07-18 10:41:07 UTC
Does the average loot pinyata undocking in high sec know it's consenting to pvp?

Some might, some might not. You really can't paint all residents of an area with the same brush.

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Infinity Ziona
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#104 - 2013-07-18 10:47:09 UTC
Uma D wrote:
Infinity Ziona wrote:
Uma D wrote:


Infinity Ziona wrote:
Pretty much the situation in every high sec system in EvE. Except the ships are completely cloaked by anonimity and your loot pinata can explode at any time without any warning if someone wants to kill it. Null PVE is carebear heaven.



Infinity Ziona wrote:


Nothing stops people in high sec being able to make isk. They accept the risk they could be ganked any time. Nullbears on the other hand dock up according to you unless local is completely free of nuets. Are you trying to agree with me?


2 Completly different situations and your statements are in contrast to ach other here. And you only risk getting suicide ganked while running missions in High sec when you are using an unreasonably expansive fitting and hold up the Loot Pinata sign.

Lol I have scanned passive friendly PvE ships in null. Highsec fits have nothing on the average null sec carebear. If you could manage to catch them before they instawarp at the first sign of danger you could gank a couple a month and get rich.


You still do not see the main point here. You can not make 500 million ISK / hour when you are forced to dock. You surely can undock and try but that risk is roughly a trillion times higher than the risk of getting suicide ganked in high sec, where no1 can interefere with your money grinding business if you are not being a ******.

A trillion times higher when you admit you guys can be "forced" to dock up by a single nuetral who very well could be just an explorer, or a lost noob? How are you being forced? Even if you happened to get a carrier ganked you would make that back in a few hours, less if you got a decent single drop from one encounter.

CCP Fozzie “We can see how much money people are making in nullsec and it is, a gigantic amount, a shit-ton… in null sec anomalies. “*

Kaalrus pwned..... :)
Seven Koskanaiken
Shadow Legions.
SONS of BANE
#105 - 2013-07-18 10:49:18 UTC  |  Edited by: Seven Koskanaiken
In Hiiiigh Seeeec, concrete jungle where dreams are made oh
There's nothing you can't do, now you're in High Seeec
These stars will make you feel brand new
Big isk will inspire you, let's hear it for High Sec
High Sec, High Sec

One hand in the air for the big city
Barges, macks and freight all looking juicy
No place in the game that can compare
Put your lasers in the air, everybody say yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah
Infinity Ziona
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#106 - 2013-07-18 10:51:17 UTC
SmokinDank wrote:
Does the average loot pinyata undocking in high sec know it's consenting to pvp?

Some might, some might not. You really can't paint all residents of an area with the same brush.

Whether they know or not is irrelevent to the outcome. They consent by default. The reverse is true of the super shy nullbear who explicitly denies consent by immediately docking or refusing to undock until the pesky nuet is gone and their space is 100% safe. They only want to make hundreds of millions per hour in complete safety.

This needs a huge nerf imo.

CCP Fozzie “We can see how much money people are making in nullsec and it is, a gigantic amount, a shit-ton… in null sec anomalies. “*

Kaalrus pwned..... :)
Uma D
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#107 - 2013-07-18 10:57:03 UTC
Infinity Ziona wrote:


A trillion times higher when you admit you guys can be "forced" to dock up by a single nuetral who very well could be just an explorer, or a lost noob? How are you being forced? Even if you happened to get a carrier ganked you would make that back in a few hours, less if you got a decent single drop from one encounter.


Yes... in 0.0 you either take that risk with a single rookie ship in local or you make 0 ISK / hour. If you take the risk and get caught do you think ppl will not be coming back again and again?

If you get suicide ganked in high sec, can you not replace your ships?

Does a single neutral in local in high sec reduce your income to 0 ISK / hour or substentially increase the risk of dying if you choose to ignore him?

Seriously.. you should just stop posting, because all you achieve here is making yourself look like a fool.
Seven Koskanaiken
Shadow Legions.
SONS of BANE
#108 - 2013-07-18 10:59:02 UTC
Uma D wrote:

Yes... in 0.0 you either take that risk with a single rookie ship in local or you make 0 ISK / hour. If you take the risk and get caught do you think ppl will not be coming back again and again?


I didn't know they had regional local in 0.0.
SmokinDank
Horizon Research Group
#109 - 2013-07-18 11:01:59 UTC
Infinity Ziona wrote:
SmokinDank wrote:
Does the average loot pinyata undocking in high sec know it's consenting to pvp?

Some might, some might not. You really can't paint all residents of an area with the same brush.

Whether they know or not is irrelevent to the outcome. They consent by default. The reverse is true of the super shy nullbear who explicitly denies consent by immediately docking or refusing to undock until the pesky nuet is gone and their space is 100% safe. They only want to make hundreds of millions per hour in complete safety.

This needs a huge nerf imo.


So this is now a nerf afk cloaking thread?

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Infinity Ziona
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#110 - 2013-07-18 11:07:30 UTC
Uma D wrote:
Infinity Ziona wrote:


A trillion times higher when you admit you guys can be "forced" to dock up by a single nuetral who very well could be just an explorer, or a lost noob? How are you being forced? Even if you happened to get a carrier ganked you would make that back in a few hours, less if you got a decent single drop from one encounter.


Yes... in 0.0 you either take that risk with a single rookie ship in local or you make 0 ISK / hour. If you take the risk and get caught do you think ppl will not be coming back again and again?

If you get suicide ganked in high sec, can you not replace your ships?

Does a single neutral in local in high sec reduce your income to 0 ISK / hour or substentially increase the risk of dying if you choose to ignore him?

Seriously.. you should just stop posting, because all you achieve here is making yourself look like a fool.

No need for personal attacks. Im immune to them anyhow.

I'm simply arguing my point of view. That is that, as you admit, you refuse to PvE in the most lucrative area of the game unless you are completely immune to being PvP'd. You claim to be "forced" not to undock however I counter that you are so risk averse you choose not to undock due to fear.

I claim, that since highsec is full of nuetrals, who despite being cynoless are still wholly capable of ganking just as easily as a Blops fleet cynoing in, that highsec missioners put themselves in harms way more willingly and more often and for 10 times less profit.

Prove me wrong?

CCP Fozzie “We can see how much money people are making in nullsec and it is, a gigantic amount, a shit-ton… in null sec anomalies. “*

Kaalrus pwned..... :)
Ace Uoweme
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#111 - 2013-07-18 11:10:44 UTC
Julius Priscus wrote:
when someone can happily make more isk in high sec than null/low sec... something is not right.

I know for a fact one can make a easy 1-3+b isk a week in high sec. yes I know possible to do that in null as well.

imo.. make al combat missions in high sec anti-faction missions. if you want bounties goto low/null sec for it.


It's this trade off:

Can play the game and pewpewpew to stroke over all those killmails of 1,000,000 podkills and try to act like a badass; or can concentrate on being filthy rich in high sec stroking over making billions of ISK.

Smart players play for the ISK, as they can just hire cannon fodder to do the dirty work for them.

It's why TEST and Goons has armies of their alts up here, too. Some of these stations are full of them (and they don't even hide that they are in those alliances).

_"In a world of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." _ ~George Orwell
SmokinDank
Horizon Research Group
#112 - 2013-07-18 11:16:39 UTC
Quote:
Smart players play for the ISK,


Sorry I thought we played games to have fun.

If isk is your fun more power to ya.

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Ace Uoweme
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#113 - 2013-07-18 11:23:11 UTC
SmokinDank wrote:
Quote:
Smart players play for the ISK,


Sorry I thought we played games to have fun.

If isk is your fun more power to ya.


You can pewpewpew for fun, but in the end, he who can pay for his own armies, wins. And winning is fun to me. Twisted

_"In a world of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." _ ~George Orwell
Benny Ohu
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#114 - 2013-07-18 11:34:14 UTC
Infinity Ziona wrote:
Prove me wrong?

there's no need - you've provided nothing to indicate you are right.

you can start with nullsec ratting being ten times more profitable than missions or incursions, please
Infinity Ziona
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#115 - 2013-07-18 11:44:38 UTC
Benny Ohu wrote:
Infinity Ziona wrote:
Prove me wrong?

there's no need - you've provided nothing to indicate you are right.

you can start with nullsec ratting being ten times more profitable than missions or incursions, please

Missions pay at max 70 million per hour, thats in high sec and only specific missions. In null you can make 500 million, up to billions of isk if you get lucky on spawns. 10 times is imo being rather ungenerous.

As for incursions as I stated, no idea, theyre not soloable.

What I was asking was proof they were being "forced" to dock. That was the claim.

CCP Fozzie “We can see how much money people are making in nullsec and it is, a gigantic amount, a shit-ton… in null sec anomalies. “*

Kaalrus pwned..... :)
Benny Ohu
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#116 - 2013-07-18 12:28:45 UTC
Infinity Ziona wrote:
Benny Ohu wrote:
Infinity Ziona wrote:
Prove me wrong?

there's no need - you've provided nothing to indicate you are right.

you can start with nullsec ratting being ten times more profitable than missions or incursions, please

Missions pay at max 70 million per hour, thats in high sec and only specific missions. In null you can make 500 million, up to billions of isk if you get lucky on spawns. 10 times is imo being rather ungenerous.

As for incursions as I stated, no idea, theyre not soloable.

What I was asking was proof they were being "forced" to dock. That was the claim.


so you're making up numbers?
Infinity Ziona
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#117 - 2013-07-18 13:08:28 UTC
Benny Ohu wrote:
Infinity Ziona wrote:
Benny Ohu wrote:
Infinity Ziona wrote:
Prove me wrong?

there's no need - you've provided nothing to indicate you are right.

you can start with nullsec ratting being ten times more profitable than missions or incursions, please

Missions pay at max 70 million per hour, thats in high sec and only specific missions. In null you can make 500 million, up to billions of isk if you get lucky on spawns. 10 times is imo being rather ungenerous.

As for incursions as I stated, no idea, theyre not soloable.

What I was asking was proof they were being "forced" to dock. That was the claim.


so you're making up numbers?

Nope

CCP Fozzie “We can see how much money people are making in nullsec and it is, a gigantic amount, a shit-ton… in null sec anomalies. “*

Kaalrus pwned..... :)
FunGu Arsten
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#118 - 2013-07-18 13:08:47 UTC
Benny Ohu wrote:
Infinity Ziona wrote:
Benny Ohu wrote:
Infinity Ziona wrote:
Prove me wrong?

there's no need - you've provided nothing to indicate you are right.

you can start with nullsec ratting being ten times more profitable than missions or incursions, please

Missions pay at max 70 million per hour, thats in high sec and only specific missions. In null you can make 500 million, up to billions of isk if you get lucky on spawns. 10 times is imo being rather ungenerous.

As for incursions as I stated, no idea, theyre not soloable.

What I was asking was proof they were being "forced" to dock. That was the claim.


so you're making up numbers?


He is indeed making up numbers. Or he livs in a null pocket ccp made just for him. He is a ****** or a troll, pick .

Get some first hand experience and tell us how many toons/hrs and what activity you are basing your made up numbers on. And a corpy/friend told me this just proofs you are a **** too(friendly tip).
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#119 - 2013-07-18 13:12:28 UTC
Infinity Ziona wrote:
Benny Ohu wrote:
so you're making up numbers?

Nope

True enough. You're just generalising very specific and extremely rare numbers to the point where they are complete distortions of what's actually true.

Using the same method, highsec L4s made you billions an hour as well (if you get lucky with the spawns).
FunGu Arsten
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#120 - 2013-07-18 13:36:56 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Infinity Ziona wrote:
Benny Ohu wrote:
so you're making up numbers?

Nope

True enough. You're just generalising very specific and extremely rare numbers to the point where they are complete distortions of what's actually true.

Using the same method, highsec L4s made you billions an hour as well (if you get lucky with the spawns).


I make +10bil /hr scamming noobs if im lucky on increased derp spawns in jita