EVE General Discussion

Sure, as soon as you figure in the inherent efforts, risks, and costs required to reach that ridiculously inflated numbers.

Until then, highsec PvE is so far above everything else on the list that it borders on the silly.

When thinking about the risk / reward of High vs Null, it is important not to forget all the income source of Null, in particular moons. null sec sov corp are already quite rich; nerfing high sec actually means handing over more money to the Null sov corps rather than having more people going to Null.

From my perspective, high sec could make with a modest nerf at the benefit of low, but nothing major. The real money maker of high are l4 missions! Incursion and mining. An easy fix could be to limit number of l4 mission per day in High and preventing the use of exhumers in High sec. If miners are limited to mining barges, that would cap income to approx 10 mil/h solo and 15 in fleet which seems low enough. Some people have suggested to make mining more interactive to avoid AFKing, which I think make sense; though mining requires more clicks than some PVPers seems to think. For incursion, mechanics should be changed to better spread the reward rather than concentrating the ISKs in a few hands

Activities such as manufacturing should be high sec centric by their own nature. Actually it would encourage PVP to make all manufacturing in High sec to increase hauling traffic through low sec of resources and manufactured items. Pirates should like that and it would be more "realistic" (manufactured goods are not from Somalia but Somalia is on the trade route between Europe and Asia and that's where pirates are)

One activity which should be really be removed from High sec is botting. Mining bots and trade bots. CCP should spend more effort to ban those accounts - this is not about nerfing High.


The positive way to make low more attractive would be to make low a bit more secure, for example by preventing use of combat probes which would allow mission runners to at least do mission safe from gank while in the mission. Miners could hire temporary NPC protection which would avoid them being defenseless sheep. I'm sure there are other good ideas. It's a win/win for all as pirates will see more traffic at gates and PVE players can do missions without dscanning every 5 sec.


now all that doesn't fully solve the issue of the griefers who are looking for tears. As people pointed out, the game mechanics are quite favorable for those as opposed to "rationale" pirates looking for profit. Maybe the bounty system could be changed so that high bounty players with low sec status would be chased by CONCORD in low with CONCORD ships roaming around gates and stations. That would should griefers how it feels to be stalked.

(NB: stop feeding Tippia the troll)

So let me see how you make 500 mil / hour in 0.0 when i put as much as a cloaked cyno hic into your system. Lets see how risk free it is then.

You gonna jump systems? Fine i ll just use one of my locator agents to find you again and keep you from making any ISK for month if i want to.

Try doing that in high sec.

If people would bother to get together to make a little low sec area relativly secure for them they could do so without problems. No1 stops a Missionrunning or Industry corp from moving to low sec. They mostly have the same tools availabe (-cyno jammers / Jumpbridges) to secure an area. The problem here is that corps that are focussed on making money do not want to a) invest ISK into hiring PvP corps to secure an area for them or b) protect their own people from pirates in low sec.

The reason why they would not bother with something like that? Quite simple.. because they can make way too much money in high sec with 0 effort or organisation.

Would you care to explain how the presence of other people in high sec stops you from being able ot make ISK? Because if thats the case I must be doing something really dangerous right now as I am running missions right at this moment with 40+ Neutral people in my system.

Go park a cloaked bomber in a lvl 4 hub in high sec and see how many stop running missions.

Park a cloaked reaper in a 0.0 system and see how many people dock up lol. Thanks for agreeing.

2 Completly different situations and your statements are in contrast to each other here. And you only risk getting suicide ganked while running missions in High sec when you are using an unreasonably expansive fitting and hold up the Loot Pinata sign.

Lol I have scanned passive friendly PvE ships in null. Highsec fits have nothing on the average null sec carebear. If you could manage to catch them before they instawarp at the first sign of danger you could gank a couple a month and get rich.

You're lying.