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Please fix this....

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Hershman
Creepers Corporation
#1 - 2013-07-18 06:01:40 UTC
http://www.twitch.tv/matthershman/c/2593164

or at least let me turn radial menu off. this happens way too often...

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Liafcipe9000
Critically Preposterous
#2 - 2013-07-18 06:56:03 UTC
care to explain for those who don't care enough to click on your link?
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#3 - 2013-07-18 06:58:12 UTC
Hershman wrote:
http://www.twitch.tv/matthershman/c/2593164

or at least let me turn radial menu off. this happens way too often...

Change the activation button. Increase activation time. Use the keyboard rather than the mouse.
Donbe Scurred
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#4 - 2013-07-18 07:06:47 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Hershman wrote:
http://www.twitch.tv/matthershman/c/2593164

or at least let me turn radial menu off. this happens way too often...

Change the activation button. Increase activation time. Use the keyboard rather than the mouse.


This, also use overview instead of brackets in space.
Hershman
Creepers Corporation
#5 - 2013-07-18 07:53:52 UTC
These are great suggestions that would make the radial menu more tolerable. It would make the radial menu more tolerable...

Do we not want to improve the radial interface at its core? Was it intended to be another buggy thing for us to tolerate?

No... I dont think we should look at it like that. I want the radial menu to actually work...

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care to explain for those who don't care enough to click on your link?


Not really... the video describes my thoughts way better than any long winded forum post could. And even then you might not understand it. Sorry you dont want to click the link dude....

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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#6 - 2013-07-18 07:55:28 UTC
Hershman wrote:
Do we not want to improve the radial interface at its core? Was it intended to be another buggy thing for us to tolerate?
It's been massively improved, and I don't really see any bugs with it.
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#7 - 2013-07-18 08:04:18 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Hershman wrote:
Do we not want to improve the radial interface at its core? Was it intended to be another buggy thing for us to tolerate?
It's been massively improved, and I don't really see any bugs with it.


I had a couple of irritating issues pointed out to me last night.

Personally, I use tiered right click menus the way God intended, but I understand that filthy godless heathens would like the UI for their disgusting blasphemous perversion improved a little.

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

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Hershman
Creepers Corporation
#8 - 2013-07-18 08:34:07 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Hershman wrote:
Do we not want to improve the radial interface at its core? Was it intended to be another buggy thing for us to tolerate?
It's been massively improved, and I don't really see any bugs with it.


Sorry, did you watch the video all the way through?

I do realize it may seem like I'm just rambling or spacing out... but thats just my way of analyzing the system, and I begin to figure the bug more clearly around the 4:00 minute mark

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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#9 - 2013-07-18 08:40:28 UTC  |  Edited by: Tippia
Hershman wrote:
Sorry, did you watch the video all the way through?
No, but please list and describe them. Between a point list that takes 1.7 seconds to eye through and a video that requires me to watch for 4 minutes before it becomes interesting, guess which one I'll go for… Blink

Video is good for illustration and proof, not for description. Also, edit out the music since it drowns out your description.
Hershman
Creepers Corporation
#10 - 2013-07-18 08:51:26 UTC

  • The radial menu cancels the action of selecting items when clicking on brackets in space.


I believe that's about as descriptive and exact as it can be said. But if you click on the timeline in the bottom of the video then you can skip to the 4 minute mark. It really helps to have a visual reference to what im talking about

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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#11 - 2013-07-18 08:55:18 UTC
Fair enough. I see the problem. My guess is that the radial menu covers the entire area (and more) as far as receiving clicks, whereas “hover” actions still trickle down to background items.
Liafcipe9000
Critically Preposterous
#12 - 2013-07-18 09:18:36 UTC
Hershman wrote:
I want the radial menu to actually work...

doesn't know how to use the menu

blames the menu
Jill Xelitras
Xeltec services
#13 - 2013-07-18 09:37:56 UTC
Hershman wrote:

  • The radial menu cancels the action of selecting items when clicking on brackets in space.


I believe that's about as descriptive and exact as it can be said. But if you click on the timeline in the bottom of the video then you can skip to the 4 minute mark. It really helps to have a visual reference to what im talking about


More like:


  • You click to select a bracket in space and then click and hold to activate the radial menu. If between the first click and opening the radial menu you moved your mouse pointer to a new bracket, the radial menu still uses your first selection instead of using the new bracket you're hovering over. Thus requiring one click more if you changed your mind after you made your first selection.


I would tend to say: working as intended.

It's like the difference between microsoft OS and other OS, where MS wants double-clicks on icons to open them and other OS often just require one click. Both systems work as intended by their creators and users adapt to them.

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Doomheim
#14 - 2013-07-18 10:54:01 UTC
I still dont get what the problem here is..
Ive never personally had any issue with the radial menu myself.
If what I THINK might be the cause of your troubles, maybe dont hold down the button so the damn menu comes up? Its fairly simple. If this wasnt your problem, then Im completely lost.
Hershman
Creepers Corporation
#15 - 2013-07-18 16:17:36 UTC
well thanks to Tippia... youre the only one who gets it

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Jill Xelitras
Xeltec services
#16 - 2013-07-18 16:30:20 UTC
Hershman wrote:
well thanks to Tippia... youre the only one who gets it


Tippia be smart ... rest of us dumb. Apollo Geez.

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Arec Bardwin
#17 - 2013-07-18 16:30:41 UTC
in General Settings->Open Radial Menu With->select any other mouse button than the one you use for normal select (left mouse)

I chose some obscure extra mouse button that I never use, thus I will never know the pleasures of the radial menu P
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#18 - 2013-07-18 16:32:23 UTC
Biggest problem I have is forgetting about the updates and just right clickingStraight
Hershman
Creepers Corporation
#19 - 2013-07-18 16:33:47 UTC
Arec Bardwin wrote:
in General Settings->Open Radial Menu With->select any other mouse button than the one you use for normal select (left mouse)

I chose some obscure extra mouse button that I never use, thus I will never know the pleasures of the radial menu P


lol this is the only way to turn it off Roll

Jill Xelitras wrote:
Tippia be smart ... rest of us dumb. Apollo Geez.


If you payed more attention to the video maybe you would understand what im talking about :\

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Jill Xelitras
Xeltec services
#20 - 2013-07-18 16:41:07 UTC
Hershman wrote:

If you payed more attention to the video maybe you would understand what im talking about :\


Post number 13 describes what I understood from your video. Feel free to correct me on what exactly I misunderstood. (You can see it as an exercise in verbal communication. Very useful skill once you join the workforce. Your future customers or boss won't deal kindly with you if you just throw a "you don't get it" at their face.)

Also I'm a professional of sorts. See bio for all my activities in and out of game.

Jx

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