EVE General Discussion

Mods, please gas thread and ban OP. Thank you.

posting in a frag-warping "nerf cloaking" thread.

Shhh you oldie!

(But I'm with you two on that one... frag-warping heh silly)

So, bringing a fast decloaking ship and a hictor to the gatecamp is too much effort?

This is the worst thread today so far.
I too would fit ancillary current router rigs on an orca to get the MWD working...
1/10 for the poor effort.

Smartbomb camp, RSB'd HIC in combo with a decloaker, bouncing drones from a 17km orbit...I'm sure there are more options I'm missing.

But I mean, why should you have to put :effort: into catching something that doesn't want to be caught?

Next you should complain about covops cloaks being unfair, and how warp-to-zero should be removed. Actually, that last part would be pretty fun to see again...

Just to reiterate in case you didn't 'get it': Here we have a ship built for a sole purpose (running a gatecamp) and you somehow see it as ridiculous that you should build a setup for the sole purpose of catching said ship? Time to lose the silver spoon out of your mouth.

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Butthurt lowsec pirate? I wouldn't be affected otherwise, would I? Now, while I don't tell you how to run your carebear isk scheme or your nullsec sanctum runnings for isk and F1 extravaganzas for PVP, I would expect the same.
Pepole are bringing up a valid point of concern, and all you can add is "more tears"? Dude, I collect so many tears in a day's worth of playing, I think i'd know if I was crying or trying to have a dialectic going on, which is clearly too much to ask of you lot.

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Yes there is many things that can be done,and I am aware of most of them, while surely not all of them. Here's the kicker though : Most of the time when implementing one of those measures, get reprimanded by CCP.

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Your HIC on a gate is worth dipshit with the resebo nerf. It is an incredibly cost uneffective ship on a gate.
The whole RSB hic + decloaker reminds me so much of 0.0 ...

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Smartbombing camps .... I think I know those. You would need past 20 Smartbombing ships, all hitting, to to maybe kill a BC hull.
Not talking about anything bigger because I think I didn't complain about frigates.
Ships that can fit covops can fit covops. they're designed to do so. GREAT. more power to them. They have their own innate drawbacks (modules not being on while cloaked, thus being MUCH more prone to being smartbombed).
But giving a capital ship a get-out-of-jail freecard with no risk for the reward, is broken.

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I put in the :effort: to camp or hunt my targets. Hell, I don't think many people do have pinned that down as we do. It's our bread n butter.


To give a little TL;DR for all the dyslexic people :
I am complaining about double standards. If exploiting functions / mechanics readily available in game in order to get away unharmed, then everybody should be able to do so. And then I will spread drones on gates, and cans, and other little things that used to be done (which by the way is a TEDIOUS task, to be done properly).
The problem is that only one side of the spectrum is allowed their "sandbox" of "using the tools handed to us in whichever way we see best".

Getting tiered of trolls... the term had been coined and used before 2008 already.
It's not the OPs fault you started eve late or have been moving between your mission agent and the mission site too much.

It's unbalanced in lowsec. Someone tell me why not in an orderly dialectic fashion and this could be an interesting thread.
But most topics on these forums go lost since the average poster didn't finish highschool.

…and apparently died since I didn't hear of it in 2008.

And seeing as how CCP actively wrote this particular functionality back into the game after having accidentally patched it out, calling it an exploit is… let's just call it “poorly informed”.

The name Frag Warping is in general use, that's why I named it that. The name I use for it is unsuitable for a public forum.

I'm aware of all the methods mentioned by the forum warriors above. Sometimes you just don't have the numbers to cover every base though and having 10+ toons in smartbombing ships or wasting a toon in a decloaking Inty is a luxury you cannot afford. I've never enjoyed being part of large corps or alliances in the 10 years I've played this game, so going down that route isn't for me.

Most of the ships you see traveling in lowsec these days have the ability to cloak while warping. If used correctly, they are almost invulnerable. I just don't see the need to allow non covert ships the ability to avoid capture using a cloak and MWD. Jump Freighters and Transport ships have removed all risk from shipping to lowsec. Although there will always be someone stupid enough to get caught in these ships, it is very rare.