Jita Park Speakers Corner

Great , yet again :D

How does it escape you that I am refering to CCP's joust with human nature.
How does it escape you that i am not refering to the worst case senarios.
And by human nature i am refering to players that are getting banned for doing what they do in all other mmorpg's yet when they play Eve, they bring that cyber social bias with them . . expecting this game's EULA to be the same as all the other games ... and thus get banned.

Ergo -> eve is hemoraging subscribers

Since EVE's subs are at an all time high, it seems that CCP are gaining more subs from people who are happy to see cheaters banned than they're losing from the cheating community.


Excellent trade off IMO

OP, your initial call was amnesty for ALL those who have been banned. By that inclusion you opened the door for people to counter with arguments of botters and code hackers as they are in that group.

The justification of 'It is allowed in other games' does not fly, either. If I am pulled over for speeding I do not try to excuse myself by saying that other cars were doing it as well. I honestly wonder if players in WoW complain, if caught cheating other players, that "Eve lets us do that so so should you."

Ignorance is not innocence. If it were then a lot of us would be saints. Complaints that you signed a EULA without reading it means that you were willing to put up with whatever rules they had, not that you considered yourself exempt from them because they were tl;dr

In the end . . . no. Blanket amnesty would be bad for the game. Some of them DID do bad things, KNEW they were doing bad things and did them anyway. No

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Break the rules, get burned for it, start whine thread. Got it but NO!

Just like all mmo, CCP is allowed to close your account for what ever reason they see fit.

From Section 5, A
"CCP may, in its sole discretion, cease to provide any or all of the services offered in connection with EVE (including access to the System and any or all features or components of the Game), terminate the EULA, close all Accounts and cancel all of the rights granted to you under the EULA."

For what ever reason they see fit to close your account it is covered by the EULA.
Upon installation of their product you agree to the EULA even if you did not read it and by clicking accept. The only way to use their product and service is to agree to these terms.
This is common in all mmo EULA, it is to cover the companies butts in case their EULA does not cover something specifically enough thus entitling someone to a lawsuit.

Look for yourself,
http://community.eveonline.com/support/policies/eve-eula/

as a newbie to EVE forums im gradually learning that 90% of threads on this website are thinly veiled tear threads about personal interests.

OP got banned for cheating and feels the need to ramble on and on in language so unnecessarily purple its funny. No, none of us want you to get your character back. No, none of us feel bad that you cheated. And, no, none of us believe that you didnt read or know of the content in the EULA.

this is how the OPs first post should actually read:

"HI i used to use addons in WOW all the time but when i tried to use them in EVE i got banned and now im sad. is anyone else sad for me?"

thats pretty much the only argument hes made so far.

If an individual can't read, they shouldn't be playing EvE. If an individual refuses to read, they should also not be playing EvE. The EULA is clear on a few issues, and if it isn't... you can ask.

What you seem to be arguing with "socially inclined to disregard" and "fighting the nature" is that people want to gain an advantage... regardless of what the EULA states. The rules say don't do it, but they choose not to care... they choose to break the rules... they choose to cheat.

Just because some people might be "socially inclined" or by "nature" cheaters... doesn't mean it should be condoned.

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EULA

2. You may not use your own or third-party software to modify any content appearing within the Game environment or change how the Game is played.

3. You may not use your own or any third-party software, macros or other stored rapid keystrokes or other patterns of play that facilitate acquisition of items, currency, objects, character attributes, rank or status at an accelerated rate when compared with ordinary Game play. You may not rewrite or modify the user interface or otherwise manipulate data in any way to acquire items, currency, objects, character attributes or beneficial actions not actually acquired or achieved in the Game

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There was a paper done by Professor Edward Castronova of Indiana University in 2006 that found that the 3rd party RMT sites probably cost MMO companies possibly over a million dollars a year per 100,000 players. Earlier this year he revisited the question and he still maintains 3rd party RMT sites cost game companies money. So getting rid of the ISK sellers who work outside the approved PLEX to ISK system is good for business as games with less of the activity are more likely to hold onto players.

And before Malcanis asks for links, here they are...

To download the original paper...
A Cost-Benefit Analysis of Real-Money Trade in the Products of Synthetic Economies

Professor Castronova's update...
Question: Why is 3rd Party RMT Evil?

Thank you . . .
What about designing an "Ravenloft" . . .
or the concept of Níðhöggs Chamber (hell) . .

So lets say a person can't stop the offenses due to its simple Evil nature . . .
so instead of "banning" all the Evil people . . . and inveitabbly as the curve reaches infinity . . . having a player base of [censored] up good goody two shoes that don't know [censored] . . . all the Evil people would be in an private "Níðhögs-Chamber" / Hell / Ravenloft . . . Duking it out or forming alliances . . .

Hey maybe when all you [not u Ming Gren] evolve outof your [censored] egoes and see the forest for the BARKING . . . this post will make senece.

Edited for clarity :
A curve reaching infinity is a math concept . . . i am pointing out that the continued action of banning people for their "Ebil" nature will inevitably "given time" give us a player base of "goody goody two shoes".