Missions & Complexes

Not sure where you got that out of my response so my first suggestion is to keep leveling reading comprehension, only leveling it to 1 might not be enough for reading message boards.

I wasn't supporting or condemning either side as I don't run incursions myself, just noting that it's an age old argument between "I want to farm" and "I want to run the event as intended," and how wonderful it was that in EVE you can actually do something about it instead of whining in local chat or bitching on the message boards.

The form of awoking you are discussing is indeed an option.

But the problem with that is the skill training time, and the ship cost.
You have to commit a lot of time to get a perfectly skilled logi pilot (the only type that any self-respecting crew takes, or trusts), plus the ship cost is pretty substantial, though not quite as much as a BS.

What you are describing would be a tremendous intelligence operation, and one quite worthy.
But once again, I just don't know if the commitment level for such a thing matches the anger level in the community, at least yet.

Failures in the plan.
A. An acceptable Logi pilot takes a few months to train.
B. No good fleet allows anyone to run more than one Logi'
C. All logis must be on coms. failure to respond to coms results in getting Kicked from fleet.
D. Nobody get to logi in a good fleet without having spent a couple months getting checked out.
E. Average EVE players don't dedicate that much time for a single 'chance' to see a fleet die in one possible site.

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Contact me, this might be an oppertunity to link our research for a more practical use.

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Not to argue with your point D Goldiiee, but I'd just like to mention that I ran one time with a major incursion comunity as a logi for about 2 hours before I was invited into the big boy channel. Someone in the fleet even loaned me their basi with no collateral since mine didn't quite fit the bill at the time. I ended up upgrading his basi to t2 hackers since I could use them. Hee hee.

I'm not sure if it was you or not. I'm pretty sure you were in the fleet, if not the FC. It was about 2 years ago, so memory fades a bit. lol

When will the ganker theorist understand that we keep alts on gates for a reason. We see you land on gate with a gank fleet. We will sacrifice that alt to preload concord on the grid and laugh as you burn.

The OP was calling on incursion runners to stop Incursion runners by using the Ganking mechanic. Incursion runners tend to be a group of Instant Gratification, Whiny, Prima Dona's with very limited foresight or patience. Hence why they run incursions rather than the plethora of other things to do in EVE to make ISK.

So the boxing seemed to be the primary tool suggested for ganking or jamming a fleet intent on removing the Incursion and therefore the ISK everyone is making so I was using a Boxing group of logi as an example. If you think there are 10 people out there willing to train Logi 5, get in ship, get the trust of a community, and then get one chance to see the fleet go down in flames then you are right there is a 20 page long public ban list full of their names, they haven't slowed down a group yet and I don't see them doing any better in the near future.

Several fairly large organizations Goons included have attempted to harass Incursion fleets to little or no effect in high sec. That's probably why we have a couple Goons, 401k, Test'ers and few others I can't remember flying incursions right now.

EVE players do wait patiently (Sometimes) months and years to rain death and destruction on their enemies, Incursion runners wait hours to make enough ISK to bury the patient player in bureaucracy with annoying troll comments in local while docked up in a 20billion isk ship and dual boxing on their PVP toon in nul.

But as many of the Incursion runners are friends of mine and I also find a bit of pleasure in making absurd amounts of ISK for/with friends that have nothing better to do while waiting for a CTA, Gate camp victim, or Production of the latest Industry item.

And really? how is running sites over and over any less repetitive than, ganking the same mining barge, ganking misc low sec runner, or the massive alliance Blob fight (TiDi so much fun). Really? hit F1 and then chest pump, or Hit F1 and throw a stale beer at the monitor as you watch isk go down in pixel flames. Repetition is the name of the game with the occasional moment of F2, Alt F1, click click click _________ <- insert Expletive Deleted here

The intellectual part of this game disappears one expansion at a time.

NO we have fleets worth of over 200bill, the value of the ship is inconsequential when the requirement for attempting to gank one is far in excess of the loot drop possible. This has been tried, I believe Shadow Cartel (Might be wrong) was the last ones I saw, 20 Nados dead and one Mach in half Armor.

It's not that it can't be done, I am sure the numbers can be figured out and a gank fleet could do it. But they need to get into local without the 40 to 50 scouts and alts noticing, land on a fleet without the 40 fleet members noticing, and then call a primary and hit it before the counter reps from 10 expert trained logi's kick in. But yeah It can be done, I imagine the real frustration would come from the fact that the incursion runner (Gank Target) would probably be without a ship for 20 or 30 minutes before he replaced it and was making ISK again.

Incursions are popular for a reason.

Edit; Sorry it was 401k and they actually succeeded recently, I think Chadarass was without a ship and pod for 3 or 4 minutes