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CCP, why are drones forbidden in missions ?

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Spc One
The Chodak
Void Alliance
#41 - 2013-07-17 17:36:16 UTC
It's the fact that you can't use drones in missions anymore.
Try dominix with 5 ogre's.

It's not whining it's a FACT.
Sarmatiko
#42 - 2013-07-17 17:37:38 UTC  |  Edited by: Sarmatiko
Darth Gustav wrote:
Micro Jump Drive Operation + Sentry Drone Interfacing + Dominix

^this
Currently Sentry Dominix is even better than Kronos in PVE (in terms of effectiveness and cost).
But of course OP can keep crying about evil CCP and "DRONES FORBIDDEN IN MISSIONS" Smile

Spc One wrote:
Try dominix with 5 ogre's.

Heavy drone effectiveness in PVE was questionable and low even before AI changes happened. Use sentries and don't go afk and you will never lose any drone on mission.
Erik Dalvon
Dalvon's Drones
#43 - 2013-07-17 17:37:42 UTC
Other hints

  • Don't have drones behavior set to aggressive - set to passive so they only attack when you have aggro and tell them to attack
  • Be very aware of elite frigates, they seem particularly prone to attacking drones - kill them first
  • (Something I only found out last night) don't get your main craft out of range of the enemy while leaving the drones in range - if they can't shoot at you, they'll shoot at what they can


This, admittedly, only from Level 3 missions.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#44 - 2013-07-17 17:37:53 UTC
Spc One wrote:
It's the fact fiction that you can't use drones in missions anymore.
Fixed.

Quote:
It's not whining it's a FACT.
Incorrect on both accounts.
War Kitten
Panda McLegion
#45 - 2013-07-17 17:40:55 UTC
Spc One wrote:
It's the fact that you can't use drones in missions anymore.
Try dominix with 5 ogre's.

It's not whining it's a FACT.


The Farce is strong with this one.

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Spc One
The Chodak
Void Alliance
#46 - 2013-07-17 17:42:09 UTC  |  Edited by: Spc One
Frostys Virpio wrote:
Spc One wrote:
Even with golem, using painter doesn't help at all.


What kind of drone did you use and what enemy ship were on the field when you used them?

I used light drones (hobgoblins II) and all the frigates+cruisers attacked my drones, sansha NPC's.
Battleships didn't change aggro.
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
#47 - 2013-07-17 17:43:32 UTC
What I do is load up precision missiles and use a TP and take out the NPC ships in order of smallest to largest.

Therefore combined drone and precision missile DPS on the ships most threatening to drones ensures that in the majority of the time, the drones don't even get scratched.


Now, how would there be a problem otherwise?


Is somebody AFK?


Bring back DEEEEP Space!

Yana Shakti
Gradient Shift
#48 - 2013-07-17 17:43:54 UTC
I use Navy drones instead of the civilian variants and it works fine. They have double the hitpoints so even if I screw up with the aggro management a little bit, they still usually survive.

Toshiro Hasegawa
Blackwater USA Inc.
Pandemic Horde
#49 - 2013-07-17 17:45:05 UTC
Been using drones exclusvely for PVE in null sec for ratting .. havnt lost a single sentry in 2+ months of play and have only lost 1 med drone in all that time. I do not find that they get auto target within seconds .. but they do get targeted like all other ships in the area. I watch them closly and return them to drone bay when they are being hit and spit them right back out.

I also fit a med shield repper .. but i usually only use it after the fight to heal any that are still dmged.

I dont think things are anywhere near as bad as the OP suggests .. but maybe my skills are better, or setup with the Gila + Sentries better than having dronesall over the battlefield.

I would imagine one would want to use the right drones at the right range at the right time.

Keep them close to be pulled back in when being dmged, use small quick ones to kills small quick things first and then move out to rats further out when there is less dps comming your way. Maybe pull the drones back in after a few kills to reset aggro.

History is the study of change.

SquirlRuler Cadelanne
Guilliman Initiative
#50 - 2013-07-17 17:52:25 UTC
Damn you CCP for making OP need skills to play!!

Slipping steadily into madness; now that is the only place to be free.

Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat
Working Stiffs
#51 - 2013-07-17 18:00:54 UTC
I have remote shield & armor reppers on my two Rattlesnakes. Works great.

I also have energy transfer between them.

When using a Tengu or Legion for DPS, the NPC ignore all the Rattlesnake drones. When using a Raven Navy Issue, the drones may get aggro, but a few reps and all is well.

0 to 15 km: Ogre II (I even get lazy and use them on frigates, which they are very capable of quickly destroying)
>15 km: Sentries
illirdor
Upper Class Goat
#52 - 2013-07-17 18:02:39 UTC
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_fwJo3bA05Q

/Thread...

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Domanique Altares
Rifterlings
#53 - 2013-07-17 18:05:34 UTC
Don't listen to these people, OP.

Drones are most certainly forbidden now.

In fact, you could be banned for using them to mission.

You should probably stop playing until you're ready to use a different ship.
Ace Uoweme
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#54 - 2013-07-17 18:11:41 UTC


For 24hrs or some unreasonable amount. Unreasonable isn't 15 minutes.

The world of gaming would come to a screeching halt, if the players couldn't go AFK to get his pizza!

_"In a world of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." _ ~George Orwell

Willmahh
#55 - 2013-07-17 18:14:52 UTC
Gurista extravaganza L4 with my rattlensake last night - not a single drone got agro; not a single drone died. How you ask?

step1 - get agro
step 2 - launch lights to take out everything up to battleships
step 3 - launch senties to pop battleships.
step 4 - recall sentries if new waves spawn and restart at step 1, if not proceed to step 5
step 5 - ???
step 6 - Profit!!!
Doddy
Excidium.
#56 - 2013-07-17 18:19:44 UTC
Drone management is not exactly hard. If your drones are dying you are either to slow, or your drones are not tough enough for the missions you are using. Are you using a drone bonused ship? Are you using t2 drones? Do you have drone durability trained to at least 4? If the answer to any of these is no you are doing it wrong.

If yes then you are just managing aggro badly.
Malcolm Shinhwa
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#57 - 2013-07-17 18:28:22 UTC
SmokinDank wrote:
This makes me want to dust of my Domi and actually run a mission. Sounds like they're more fun and challenging and less of a bore than they were 3-4 years ago P


Don't bother. Still a bore.

No idea what the OP is talking about. I take my Hurricane with its measly complement of drones on missions all the time. Usually come back with all my drones. I suck at Eve, so it can't be how great I am.

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J3ssica Alba
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#58 - 2013-07-17 18:47:18 UTC  |  Edited by: J3ssica Alba
Arec Bardwin wrote:
Perhaps he's right.

Perhaps CCP added an exception in the drone AI just for him.

Perhaps CCP hates him SPECIFICALLY.



!-- mission ai selection module
/mission start
/spawn npcs
/initiate ai
/if capsuleer = "SPC ONE"
/initiate ai "dronmageddon"
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Miilla
Hulkageddon Orphanage
#59 - 2013-07-17 18:50:25 UTC  |  Edited by: Miilla
It's called agro (agression), one should learn to master it. In some cases, you want drones to take agro away from you.
Mortimer Civeri
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#60 - 2013-07-17 19:08:57 UTC
First thing is, the new AI will switch targets when a new ship appears on grid. When you wait to have full agro and then deploy drones this kicks in, and they switch targets to your drones. Deploy lights first, as soon as you land, and target frigates, make sure focus fire is set, and that they are set to aggressive. Watch out for Elite frigates, as they will switch targets, even if you are using E-War/remote reps. Be attentive, otherwise you will lose drones, and even so you will lose a few drones regardless. Another thing: Train Drone Durability, you whiny scrub.

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