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New tier 3 battlecruisers have very low tank
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lexa21
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#1 - 2011-11-09 21:19:49 UTC
Short: If You think that new battlecruisers have REALLY LOW effective hit points and tank please type something like agree or signed as an answer to this topic.

Long: I was on test server few days ago. I saw new battlecruisers. They have a problems.
1st no chance to take of any frigate in disruptor range.
2nd they have no shields\armor\structure or resources to change this situation. I tried active and passive tank but in first situation there were no cap regeneration to fit actual hp regeneration (300 ehp/sec on faction npc without ab is the top situation on t2 modules) in second there is no chance to fit it better than cruiser with big pen... guns.In fact there were no pg and cap to fit dual armor rep, no cap for stable large shield booster work, no base hp and pg for good passive tank.

Ok. Weakness against small ships is a payment for great dps. But low tank make those ships useless in pve and their only role in pvp would be suicide impossible missions (except minmatars one).

This is my point of view and i want CCP knows if i`m not alone. Thks for reading.
ElQuirko
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#2 - 2011-11-09 21:20:22 UTC
O RLY NAO? ALERT THE PRESIDENT!

Dodixie > Hek
Apollo Gabriel
Kill'em all. Let Bob sort'em out.
Ushra'Khan
#3 - 2011-11-09 21:24:26 UTC
Jeez if only CCP put that in their devblog ... oh wait.
Always ... Never ... Forget to check your references.   Peace out Zulu! Hope you land well!
Algathas
Swamp Panthers
SONS of BANE
#4 - 2011-11-09 21:25:23 UTC
Seems like they are working as intended.
Hienz Doofenshmirtz
Outsourced Manufacturing
#5 - 2011-11-09 21:25:42 UTC
oddly enough I have also flown the new ships on the test server. now I do't know your skills your your fitting abilities, but for me my first attempt came up with a ship with 500 dps and a 75k ehp buffer tank. now that's not great or anything but it has been able to tank a triple bs spawn in 0.0 and clear it much faster than a drake could

www.dust514stats.com do you know?
Ladie Harlot
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#6 - 2011-11-09 21:26:04 UTC
Who cares? They will still take out exhumers before concord blows them up.

The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet.
Corina Jarr
en Welle Shipping Inc.
#7 - 2011-11-09 21:26:24 UTC
These ships are not meant for fighting frigs, or even cruisers. They certainly are not meant to fly without support.
bornaa
GRiD.
#8 - 2011-11-09 21:27:15 UTC
lexa21 wrote:
Short: If You think that new battlecruisers have REALLY LOW effective hit points and tank please type something like agree or signed as an answer to this topic.

Long: I was on test server few days ago. I saw new battlecruisers. They have a problems.
1st no chance to take of any frigate in disruptor range.
2nd they have no shields\armor\structure or resources to change this situation. I tried active and passive tank but in first situation there were no cap regeneration to fit actual hp regeneration (300 ehp/sec on faction npc without ab is the top situation on t2 modules) in second there is no chance to fit it better than cruiser with big pen... guns.In fact there were no pg and cap to fit dual armor rep, no cap for stable large shield booster work, no base hp and pg for good passive tank.

Ok. Weakness against small ships is a payment for great dps. But low tank make those ships useless in pve and their only role in pvp would be suicide impossible missions (except minmatars one).

This is my point of view and i want CCP knows if i`m not alone. Thks for reading.


Working as intended...
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Velicitia
XS Tech
#9 - 2011-11-09 21:30:29 UTC
funny, I seem to recall something about "glass cannons" in one of the recent devblogs ... could it have been referencing these new BCs?

One of the bitter points of a good bittervet is the realisation that all those SP don't really do much, and that the newbie is having much more fun with what little he has. - Tippia
Zagam
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#10 - 2011-11-09 21:32:27 UTC
lexa21 wrote:


Long: I was on test server few days ago. I saw new battlecruisers. They have a problems.
1st no chance to take of any frigate in disruptor range.
2nd they have no shields\armor\structure or resources to change this situation. I tried active and passive tank but in first situation there were no cap regeneration to fit actual hp regeneration (300 ehp/sec on faction npc without ab is the top situation on t2 modules) in second there is no chance to fit it better than cruiser with big pen... guns.In fact there were no pg and cap to fit dual armor rep, no cap for stable large shield booster work, no base hp and pg for good passive tank.

.....



You have never PvPed, have you? And somehow, I don't think you've ever left hisec either...

In PvP, you generally have to choose between gank and tank. You can tank to no end (i.e.: you are Drake bait), and can't do jack for gank... or you can gank very well, and die in a fire the moment you get primaried.

There is absolutely no reason to have both tank and gank on a single hull.

You must have a weakness, and a strength.


lexa21 wrote:


their only role in pvp would be suicide impossible missions (except minmatars one).



And finally... WHY THE HECK would you put "pvp" and "mission" in the same phrase?
Jita Alt666
#11 - 2011-11-09 21:42:33 UTC
Thread of the day. Thank you for bringing this massive oversight to our attention.
T' Elk
Strategically Bad
Goonswarm Federation
#12 - 2011-11-09 21:44:04 UTC
You sir have made my day. Carry on.

~Badposter since FOOOOREEEEEVAAAAAR~ I come back after 2 years to THIS? ~Now 4 years apparently
The Offerer
Doomheim
#13 - 2011-11-09 21:44:57 UTC
lexa21 wrote:
Short: If You think that new battlecruisers have REALLY LOW effective hit points and tank please type something like agree or signed as an answer to this topic.

Long: I was on test server few days ago. I saw new battlecruisers. They have a problems.
1st no chance to take of any frigate in disruptor range.
2nd they have no shields\armor\structure or resources to change this situation. I tried active and passive tank but in first situation there were no cap regeneration to fit actual hp regeneration (300 ehp/sec on faction npc without ab is the top situation on t2 modules) in second there is no chance to fit it better than cruiser with big pen... guns.In fact there were no pg and cap to fit dual armor rep, no cap for stable large shield booster work, no base hp and pg for good passive tank.

Ok. Weakness against small ships is a payment for great dps. But low tank make those ships useless in pve and their only role in pvp would be suicide impossible missions (except minmatars one).

This is my point of view and i want CCP knows if i`m not alone. Thks for reading.


It's supposed to be that way.

- They are BC sized (agility, signature radius, speed,... of a BC);
- They have BS sized guns and a lot of DPS
- Too much tank and they will render other BCs obsolete (maybe even some BSs)
- Too much "precision" at hitting smaller targets and they'll make HACs obsolete
- Too much of both mentioned and you can forget about flying anything else
Covert Kitty
SRS Industries
#14 - 2011-11-09 21:48:33 UTC
I love the new bc's, they are well balanced with the rest of the game and a lot of fun to fly. If you gave them more tank they would start to get pretty OP
Obsidian Hawk
RONA Midgard Academy
#15 - 2011-11-09 22:13:18 UTC
Working as intended.

Why Can't I have a picture signature.

Also please support graphical immersion, bring back the art that brought people to EvE online originaly.
Trainwreck McGee
Doomheim
#16 - 2011-11-09 22:23:21 UTC
aaaaaaa nice EVE forums are back to normal

people whining that something is OP
people whining about that very same thing being underpowered.

IT IS GOOD TO BE BACK

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Roime
Mea Culpa.
Shadow Cartel
#17 - 2011-11-09 22:25:36 UTC
It is possible that these posters have someone to help them to get past the difficult EvE login screen

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Botleten
Perkone
Caldari State
#18 - 2011-11-09 22:26:06 UTC
Is this goal of this thread to point out the obvious? Obviously if it has more DPS than other BCs its going to have to lose out somewhere else in order to remain balanced.
Cunane Jeran
#19 - 2011-11-09 22:29:29 UTC
Someone missed the design memo that has been plastered everywhere since they were first announced.

Working as Intended.
Lucien Visteen
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#20 - 2011-11-09 22:38:03 UTC
Two words.

Glass Cannon

The ships hung in the sky in much the same way that bricks don't.
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