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CCP, why are drones forbidden in missions ?

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Spc One
The Chodak
Void Alliance
#1 - 2013-07-17 16:18:08 UTC  |  Edited by: Spc One
Every time i use drones in level 1 - 4 mission they get attacked in 2 seconds.
So for example i warp in with dominix aggro the room deploy drones.
The second i deploy drones 7 npc's switch aggro to my drones and at least one drone dies.

So i am asking you CCP are drones not allowed in missions anymore ? because this is just insane how quickly npc's switch aggro and how quickly drones die.


So basically we players can't use drones at all in missions or plexes.
So why are drones forbidden in missions / plexes now ?!
What?
Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
#2 - 2013-07-17 16:19:17 UTC
Um, you're doing it wrong?

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Frostys Virpio
State War Academy
Caldari State
#3 - 2013-07-17 16:19:34 UTC
Spc One wrote:
Every time i use drones in level 1 - 4 mission they get attacked in 2 seconds.
So for example i warp in with dominix aggro the room deploy drones.
The second i deploy drones 7 npc's switch aggro to my drones and at least one drone dies.

So i am asking you CCP are drones not allowed in missions anymore ? because this is just insane how quickly npc's switch aggro and how quickly drones die.


So basically we players can't use drones at all in missions or plexes.
Are they forbidden in missions / plexes now ?!
What?


Use sentries or use light drones to assist your BS against orbitting small targets.
Spc One
The Chodak
Void Alliance
#4 - 2013-07-17 16:20:01 UTC
And how should i do it right then ?
Spc One
The Chodak
Void Alliance
#5 - 2013-07-17 16:21:26 UTC  |  Edited by: Spc One
Frostys Virpio wrote:

Use sentries or use light drones to assist your BS against orbitting small targets.

Sentries also get aggro in 2 seconds, so no.

Small drones die in like 10 seconds.
Plastic Psycho
Necro-Economics
#6 - 2013-07-17 16:21:42 UTC
Spc One wrote:
Every time i use drones in level 1 - 4 mission they get attacked in 2 seconds.
So for example i warp in with dominix aggro the room deploy drones.
The second i deploy drones 7 npc's switch aggro to my drones and at least one drone dies.

So i am asking you CCP are drones not allowed in missions anymore ? because this is just insane how quickly npc's switch aggro and how quickly drones die.


So basically we players can't use drones at all in missions or plexes.
So why are drones forbidden in missions / plexes now ?!
What?

Congratulations - the NPC AI is smarter than you are.

Pro tip:
If what you're doing isn't working, try something different.
Private Pineapple
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#7 - 2013-07-17 16:21:47 UTC
Spc One wrote:
And how should i do it right then ?


Get aggro first?

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Ciyrine
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#8 - 2013-07-17 16:22:24 UTC
use a mjd and sentries that should fix your problem
Spc One
The Chodak
Void Alliance
#9 - 2013-07-17 16:22:34 UTC
Private Pineapple wrote:
Spc One wrote:
And how should i do it right then ?


Get aggro first?

I do get aggro first, i aggro whole room then deploy drones.
Ramael Hashur
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#10 - 2013-07-17 16:24:33 UTC
Spc One wrote:
And how should i do it right then ?


Not afk mission anymore, essentially. In the olden days you could deploy drones after you've aggro'd the room and things would be fine, you could let the drones do your dirty work.

But now you need to actively manage aggro. Put guns on that droneboat, attempt to actively shoot your enemies and let the drones assist.

I don't like it either though, personally. Back when I tried missioning again I basically had to set up a sentry domi fit with a MJD. You're pretty much forced to use sentries unless all you have left are frigates orbiting you.
De'Veldrin
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#11 - 2013-07-17 16:25:02 UTC
Spc One wrote:
Private Pineapple wrote:
Spc One wrote:
And how should i do it right then ?


Get aggro first?

I do get aggro first, i aggro whole room then deploy drones.


And then the aggro changes. Yes, that was added a while back. So now you have to actually manage your drones, not just fire and forget them. Deploy sentries. When they get aggro, call them back in, wait two seconds for the aggro to switch back to you, and then put them back to work. It's not hard to figure out, if you think about it.

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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#12 - 2013-07-17 16:26:04 UTC
Spc One wrote:
So basically we players can't use drones at all in missions or plexes.
So why are drones forbidden in missions / plexes now ?!
Yes we can.
They're not.

You just have to take care of them and do a bit of aggro management to keep them alive.
Dersen Lowery
The Scope
#13 - 2013-07-17 16:27:39 UTC
EWAR is useful here, too. If you use any kind of EWAR or remote rep module, you will either make it much less likely that aggro will switch from you or much more likely that it will switch back to you. Target painters are great for this, and they improve your drones' applied DPS as well.

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Spc One
The Chodak
Void Alliance
#14 - 2013-07-17 16:28:05 UTC
Ramael Hashur wrote:
Spc One wrote:
And how should i do it right then ?


Not afk mission anymore, essentially. In the olden days you could deploy drones after you've aggro'd the room and things would be fine, you could let the drones do your dirty work.

But now you need to actively manage aggro. Put guns on that droneboat, attempt to actively shoot your enemies and let the drones assist.

I don't like it either though, personally. Back when I tried missioning again I basically had to set up a sentry domi fit with a MJD. You're pretty much forced to use sentries unless all you have left are frigates orbiting you.

I am not AFK , i am actively playing but all my drones are dying, it's not about AFK it's about not able to use drones at all.
So why doesn't ccp just remove all the drones ? As i see the drones are forbidden.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#15 - 2013-07-17 16:30:49 UTC
Spc One wrote:
it's not about AFK it's about not able to use drones at all.
So why doesn't ccp just remove all the drones ? As i see the drones are forbidden.
You're able to use drones. You just can't leave them without supervision and you have to take more care in ensuring that the rats find you a bigger nuisance than the drones. The reason they don't remove all the drones is because there's no reason to. They most certainly aren't forbidden.
Vincent Athena
Photosynth
#16 - 2013-07-17 16:32:24 UTC
Spc One wrote:
And how should i do it right then ?


Method 1:

Lock and shoot the NPCs with your guns for a bit
Deploy drones, set them to "orbit"
Wait for them to catch aggro
Recall them
Wait for aggro to revert to you
Deploy drones, have them attack
If they catch aggro again, recall and re-deploy
Works best with sentries and light drones. Mediums and heavies get home too slowly and will get popped before you can recall them.

I use the above with a Domi and rarely lose a drone. Usually I lose a drone because I'm watching TV rather than the mission.

Method 2:
Fit several remote reppers
Deploy just sentries
Lock them all
Rep whichever ones catch aggro

Note: Even just one RR is good to carry, to fix drones that you fail to recall fast enough.

Method 3:

Bring friends. With 3 or more ships on the field drones rarely catch aggro.

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Spc One
The Chodak
Void Alliance
#17 - 2013-07-17 16:32:25 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Spc One wrote:
it's not about AFK it's about not able to use drones at all.
So why doesn't ccp just remove all the drones ? As i see the drones are forbidden.
You're able to use drones. You just can't leave them without supervision and you have to take more care in ensuring that the rats find you a bigger nuisance than the drones. The reason they don't remove all the drones is because there's no reason to. They most certainly aren't forbidden.

Well i can only leave them for maybe 2 seconds max.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#18 - 2013-07-17 16:33:25 UTC
Spc One wrote:
Well i can only leave them for maybe 2 seconds max.
No. Even so, take this opportunity to learn how to deal with the new AI.
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#19 - 2013-07-17 16:36:36 UTC
Either use Sentries outside their range, or use a bit of EW to make yourself be perceived as a bigger threat than your drones.

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Spc One
The Chodak
Void Alliance
#20 - 2013-07-17 16:38:02 UTC
Ranger 1 wrote:
Either use Sentries outside their range, or use a bit of EW to make yourself be perceived as a bigger threat than your drones.

You now have the knowledge necessary to be successful, it's up to you to use it.

I'll try golem with painter, let's see.
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