Player Features and Ideas Discussion

I am really looking forward to some times after these changes are made, someone gets the bright idea that "hey, all these skills grouped by name should have the same attributes when it comes to learning them."

Today, in the vast vast majority of cases, the gunnery skills all are per/will or will/per, engineering skills int/mem or mem/int, etc etc.
What happens after the name changes and name re-grouping happens?
You want to see confusion, then you will see confusion.

Leave the damn thing alone.
There are other issues far more pressing, like getting the pirate faction and T2 ships dealt with.
Go help fozzie and Rise with that.

Well, they could fix that by introducing Mining group, which already has a skill of the same name with x1 training multiplier. Same goes for Shield Operation where all shield related skills should go, and possibly Targeting and Refining.

I defend CCP against trolls, the illiterate and those generally more stupid than they're given credit for on a number of occasions..

But no more. This is the **** you're spending your time on? LEAVE OUR SKILLS ALONE. Are you ******* kidding me? "Multiple Targeting"? "Spaceship PILOTING?" Well, you should probably change Signature Analysis to something wordy and over-simplified like "Targeting Speed Management" because apparently opening up the description for any given skill and using that 2nd Grade (too generous?) English knowledge was just too much ******* trouble.

Sheesh.

I haven't read through the entire thread yet, so this may have been said already, but I felt that I should point out that the reason so many people have a problem with "Multiple Targeting" (saying that it sounds "clunky," etc.) is that it is grammatically incorrect English. Even if we don't always recognize this as the reason or understand why, when native English speakers hear something blatantly grammatically wrong, it tends to grate on our ears.

In this case, "multiple" is an adjective, it is used to describe nouns. So you could say "multiple targets," but never "multiple targeting," because "targeting" is a verb, and requires an adverb instead. Saying "multiple targeting" just makes you sound illiterate.

I realize that not everyone at CCP is a native English speaker, but I would hope that someone in charge of proofreading would have caught this before it was approved!

I have a feeling that a lot of other issues players are having with these names are also the result of langauage differences. It's not just enough to know the meaning of words, but you need to understand the connotations as well. For example, "Spaceship Piloting" just comes off so much weaker than "Spaceship Command." "Piloting" gives the impression of being subordinate to someone else (the ship's captain), while "command" clearly states that you are in charge. I'm sure most EVE players want to be and feel like the one in charge of their own ship, and the title "Spaceship Piloting" just takes away from that.

When games have poor english, it usually speaks to the quality or budget of that game. It would be a shame to let translation errors give the wrong impression about the quality of this game. Please seriously reconsider and review these changes, and make sure that they are vetted by native speakers of any language you intend to translate them into.

I cannot agree more. Spaceship Piloting thing is giving me nightmares.

I would think the average intelligent EVE Online player also gets frustrated by redundant oversights? Issues created purely to do things in a gamey way.

I'm smart enough to realise that the names and descriptions for
Scout Drone Operation (x1): Skill at controlling scout combat drones
and
Combat Drone Operation (x2): Skill at controlling scout drones
are entirely redundant and could stand to be streamlined. It's fine to have two separate buffs, but nobody in their right mind should feel "smarter" for realising that the reason there's no Combat Drones category in the market is because they're really Scout drones. It's not as if there's a Scout command to tell me what's lurking behind an asteroid, or through a jump gate. They exist for combat.

Do people like feeling smart because things are designed in a smart way, or because they invented a cipher nobody can understand? Last time I did that, I was sitting in a treehouse.

I think "Spaceship Command" should stay as it is. "Spaceship Piloting" sounds like it should be the title for the next "for dummies" book.

This is how I see it

Most of everything else I do agree with however.

well they both effect CPU and PG so should come under there appropriate categories respectively

Agreed that Spaceship Command should stay, and there's nothing inherenly negative about skill categories containing eponymous skills -- "Engineering" and "Electronics" sound fine (and preferable to "Energy Grid Efficiency" and "CPU Efficiency"). Them sharing a name with their category gives the impression that these are foundational skills for the rest in that category -- the same is true for Social, Trade, Gunnery, Industry, Navigation, etc.

Why are you dumbing down EVE?

One of the things people always say about EVE is how complex it is, and how you have to actually research and learn things to succeed. Although the skill groups are pretty irrelevant, it's just another small part of EVE that is being dumbed down and losing it's identity.

Having to rename the armor skills group to "Armor" so people don't get "confused" wtf lol?

Spaceship Piloting??? It's impossible to say that out loud without sounding mentally deficient