Wormholes

There are several things you can do to make yourself safe(r) while mining in WHs.

If that newbie friend of yours who lost his ship wasn't doing any of them, it's his own fault.

Step one. Close your holes.
Step two. Put a small bubble at the ore site warpin, with enough decloak cans to ensure a decloak.
Step three. Mine like normal, more than 50km but less than 150 from the warpin. Keep an eye on the sig list, checking/unchecking the show anomalies box multiple times a minute (since that's the only way I've found to guarantee the sigs are refreshed).

Doing that, you are not any less safe than you were mining before the patch, if you're paying attention. If you're not perfectly paying attention, you may even be more safe, since the sig will be visible any time after being opened, whereas combat probes only would've been on dscan for ~30sec or so.

If someone is already in your hole waiting, then you'll still die...but that's no different from before, since they would've had the ore sites BMed anyway and you still would've had 0 warning.

Miner ganks happened before the change, and they will continue to happen after. People who are afk or not paying attention will get blown up. People who are paying attention will be fine.

HAHAHA.

NO LOCAL.


the only thing that needs to change?

Move the ore sites back to sigs. not anoms!

WH space kept their NPC's in Radar / hacking / whatever the fk they are called now. Why couldnt the ore sites (LIKE THE GAS) remain?!
I just dont understand the reasoning behind moving the ore sites to anoms.

Why did i read this thread, i am so lost now.

Go SD your hulk or something.

Hmmmmm

I dunno, but taking my venture into a system with a few pilots logged on, at zero in an ore site.....

.... could actually be fun

I'd never want local back in w-space but I think the ability to warp straight to an ore belt and the new sigs popping up almost immediately are both bad mechanics.

No one seems particularly happy with either of them.

If people want to hunt miners, let them invest time and effort training up a decent scanner to scan them down quickly.
(None of this dumbed down scanning for the masses lark...)


And if people want to mine they should be able to able to get fairly decent isk from it compared to 0.0 because I haven't shot at a mining fleet in ages.....

While I do love constant squabbling.. I'll try to add a gudpost to this.

When the grav sigs to ore anoms changes were made, I pointedly asked for an accompanying change to keep the risk:reward of wspace mining roughly the same. It was not an area CCP was willing to get involved in, as it would potentially affect a very large number of other players.

Unfortunately, wspace mining is quite literally a fraction of a fraction of the vast sum of playstyles, and as such I doubt there will be targeted changes made. However, I am committed to making sure that changes to the game are inclusive to our little niche.

Fly Safe.

why mine when you can do it for zero effort in high-sec.

Don't get me wrong. I love a free snack.

I suggest finding a way to adapt without increasing effort to safety. I won't tell you how though

Can we get the clever/funny trolls back, this one is neither funny nor clever and its trying to hard,.

I really don't see the issue. if anything the patch has made things EASIER for the WH miner.

Ill repeat and echo, mostly, what has been said here:

1. Scan down your wh
Yes, scan down every sig and confirm what they are. Apart from your static, you have an incoming. Well, first of all, always assume your static has been compromised. So roll it, then scan the new static but DON'tT WARP TO IT. Then, roll your incoming, assuming it's safe to do so.

There you go, your wormhole is locked down

2. Jump in your mining ship and double check the number of sigs and the sig id's match what you previous scanned. They do? awesome. Clear your results so you have an empty probe scan result.

3a. Without probes out, just keep an eye on any new sigs that appear. HAving cleared your results previously should make any new sigs blindingly obvious. So, when something new appears, Immediately warp out.

3b. With probes out, you might just catch that sig before your standard scan window registers it, meaning you can get out of dodge a few seconds eariler that not having probes out.

Now, if you look at the above 3 steps, THIS IS WHAT YOU SHOULD HAVE BEEN DOING PRE PATCH ANYWAY! If you are AFKing ANYTHING in a WH, then you are doing it wrong people.