Player Features and Ideas Discussion

That's why you can proactively scan for cloaked ships.

Reference to sister thread:
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2668453#post2668453

Or they can be less active, sneek around with nobody knowing they are there, and and then drop cloak right in the middle of a mining op tackle the ORCA and pop a cyno. Fleet jumps in without anyone having time to warp off as they did not even see the intruder in local.

This would be far more of a buff to stealth warfare than a nerf to afk cloakers.

Personally I believe cloaked ships should not show up in local, but for different reasons. if you can not see or detect the ship how does the local becon know it is there. For balance the cloak could also prevent the ship from accessing local chat. After all how can you be connected to the becon for system chatter if it does not know you are there. But then again that is why cloaked ships do show in local. The ship itself is undetectable but its connection to the beacon lets the system know it is there. It fits with the lore either way. And there are benefits and penalties to both sides.

Having cloaked ships not be able to access local would remove the ability to disrupt operations with afk cloakers, but would add the ability for covert/black ops to attack without warning, as they would not show in local. I believe it would be an improvement, removing afk play, and adding depth to stealth game play.

At least this is how it was explained some years ago. known space has system beacons that allow for local public chatter between those in the system, constellation, or region. W-space does not have system beacons so you only show in local chat if you are transmitting.

The only thing that does not fit is if W-space is unknown space with no system becons, which it is, where did the interbus customs offices come from? Is interbus actually run by the descendants of sleepers?

Can't lock, can't shoot, can't activate any ******* modules, but people cry in terror about them.

This is a great idea, CCP needs to address this +1

Null sec is high risk... nope... saying it did not make it true that time, either.

I can PvE more safely in sov null than I can in high sec. Already proven and demonstrated.
In null, I can watch local, operate aligned to a safe, and just hit warp if a name I don't like shows in local.
In high, they had hulk-a-geddon.

As to wormhole space...
I get that worm holes do not have local.
The argument that those wanting to remove local should move into a wh, falls flat due to the other differences between the two play areas.

I also acknowledge these differences make wormholes unique. This does not, however, mean that the delayed local mechanic can only work in this environment. It just means wormholes have multiple mechanics designed to isolate them and limit them to what can happen inside.

This is why I advocate a partial change to local as this thread explains.

And then a means to hunt cloaked vessels based on duplicating the requirements to pilot cloaked vessels:
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2668453#post2668453

These would work together to restore value to player driven intel, and offer PvE pilots like me a new way to actually compete with each other.

As to risk in null, in the event local left? You are way off base there too.
Here is an important detail that those hunting will not have an advantage because of local being missing.

The advantage will always belong to whoever has sov, simply because the intel channels and patrols supplying them will be a huge advantage.

Those hunting in hostile territory will be on their own, and with no local to artificially tell them where everyone is, chances are they will have no idea.
They can, of course, guess, or do research to learn where people usually hang out, but unless someone spies for them and tips them where to look, they will be effectively blind.

Local is never the friend of PvE. PvE has a far more obvious advantage trading it in for an intel channel while the hunters are blind.

Oh no, it's not a battle. The sheep may think they're waging a war, but they're not.

After all, I am quite sure the fish in your net thought they fought quite bravely when in fact all they did was squirm around a little bit.

The so called wolf just want to eat.

Oh, that reminds me of a little story I once heard abut some wolf.

"Look at the vile sheep, who trample our children with their terrible hooves and eat our homes without a second thought. It must be the most cruel, most vicious animal in the world, killing us plant lice on a mere evil whim...

But there! There comes the Wolf! Look at him, charging at the sheep, bloody murder in mind, fangs bared eyes shining in the moon light... Charging to our rescue, because the Wolf is the most righteous animal there is."

Null sec is not friendly to those without sov, simple fact of life. Fight for it or rent it, that space is claimable specifically because you are supposed to try claiming it.

As to how they will find the ships, you just check the thread I linked before. Proactive scans and patrols.
Uncertainty is a part of the game, but like a gate camp, bottleneck systems will be logical choices to have persistent scans active.
Do the work, earn the reward. The gate camp doesn't man itself either, so this is just a new kind of effort.

If effort is not desired, null sec is not for the player wanting to avoid it.

As to the star map, that's a tool for another topic, but it certainly tells where people were active. I tend to view it as something of a balance issue worthy of a debate in a thread of it's own.

Just to point out, this thread advocates removing cloaked ships from being displayed in local, in case you had not noticed.

Seems like simple yet effective idea. Giving "don't talk in local" rule some more weight too.
+1

Before you can implement this, you must first implement a Cloak Hunter type of mechanic.