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Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation 2,014
Tyberius Franklin Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation Likes received: 2,014	#41 - 2013-07-15 20:09:22 UTC Lugia3 wrote: Atkins Friendly wrote: Doesnt the rattlesnake have the largest subcap passive shield tank in game? Second, actually. The Myrmidon claims first place. Fits please. Going full tank I've made both drakes and Rattlesnakes that exceed anything I've gotten fro a myrm in a similar configuration.

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Garviel Tarrant Beyond Divinity Inc Shadow Cartel Likes received: 2,240	#42 - 2013-07-15 20:42:04 UTC 1 I don't quite get these complaints.. The Rattler is pretty epic, i'd rather see a vindi/mach nerf then a Rattler buff. BYDI recruitment closed-ish

State War Academy Caldari State 3,464
Frostys Virpio State War Academy Caldari State Likes received: 3,464	#43 - 2013-07-16 00:04:52 UTC Ciyrine wrote: Whats a passive shield tank fit look? And why is that so good compared to active tank which i assume probably has higher ehp in return for not being passive? Well a passive fit can't be neuted into oblivion for one. It's ahrd to run hardener/reps when your cap is sitting at 0...

Vic Teishikuro

Tactical Chaos Corp

Likes received: 9

#44 - 2013-07-16 20:31:08 UTC | Edited by: Vic Teishikuro

Garviel Tarrant wrote:

I don't quite get these complaints.. The Rattler is pretty epic, i'd rather see a vindi/mach nerf then a Rattler buff.

lol I hate the World of EvE that has join the whole Everything thats better is OP and should be nerfed.

Nerf is not the way to go.

When A gila(crusier) has the same amount of drone damage as the rattle there is a problem.

The rattle should get a
Special bonus: 50% to missle vilocity

Caldari bonus: 4% bonus to shield resist
Gallante bonus:20% bonus to drone hit points and damage

That should bring it right about on par with the other pirate faction bs, and if CCP made the drone bay smaller by 75m3 it would justify the extra hit points since it would have alot more heavy drones to replace the lost ones.

It would then keep the Rattle has the top sub-cap drone boat.


Vic Teishikuro Tactical Chaos Corp Likes received: 9	#45 - 2013-07-16 20:42:00 UTC \| Edited by: Vic Teishikuro What would also be really cool is making the ratlle the only Sub-cap to field more than 5 drones it would look something like this The rattle should get a Special bonus: 10% bonus to drone hit points and damage Caldari bonus: 4% bonus to shield resist Gallante bonus:1 extra drone control per level

Zan Shiro

Doomheim

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#46 - 2013-07-17 05:40:41 UTC | Edited by: Zan Shiro

Vic Teishikuro wrote:

What would also be really cool is making the ratlle the only Sub-cap to field more than 5 drones

guardian vexor says hi.....

If you got the 10 drones back...ccp would remove/nerf the drone damage bonus to balance it out. You would not be getting a 1500 dps pure sentry damage rattler (I am looking at max skill fit at 750 ish) plinking away targets at 58ish+ km's (optimal). You get whatever was need to keep your roughly 750ish (with 3 DDA max skill in the fitting app I am looking at, necom for ios as eft not handy atm.) with the 10 sentries.

Garviel Tarrant

Beyond Divinity Inc

Shadow Cartel

Likes received: 2,240

#47 - 2013-07-17 14:01:47 UTC

Vic Teishikuro wrote:

Garviel Tarrant wrote:

I don't quite get these complaints.. The Rattler is pretty epic, i'd rather see a vindi/mach nerf then a Rattler buff.

Nerfs are generally better than buffs, nerfs don't powercreep and powercreep is bad.

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State War Academy Caldari State 32
Atkins Friendly State War Academy Caldari State Likes received: 32	#48 - 2013-07-17 14:08:29 UTC Lugia3 wrote: Atkins Friendly wrote: Doesnt the rattlesnake have the largest subcap passive shield tank in game? Second, actually. The Myrmidon claims first place. I'm sorry, but since when is a Myrm a shield tank? Let alone a passive one?

Marc Callan

Center for Advanced Studies

Gallente Federation

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#49 - 2013-07-17 16:29:15 UTC

Atkins Friendly wrote:

Lugia3 wrote:

Atkins Friendly wrote:

Doesnt the rattlesnake have the largest subcap passive shield tank in game?

Second, actually. The Myrmidon claims first place.

I'm sorry, but since when is a Myrm a shield tank? Let alone a passive one?

I've seen passive-shield Myrms about from time to time. It's got five mids and a decent native shield recharge rate, so some people will do shield buffer and hardeners in the mids and load up on gank modules and SPRs in the lows.

"We are what we pretend to be, so we must be careful about what we pretend to be." - Kurt Vonnegurt


Garviel Tarrant Beyond Divinity Inc Shadow Cartel Likes received: 2,240	#50 - 2013-07-17 17:02:52 UTC Passive shield myrms? WHY???? For fucks sake, i'm out..... BYDI recruitment closed-ish

Sergeant Acht Scultz

School of Applied Knowledge

Caldari State

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#51 - 2013-07-17 18:28:52 UTC

Zan Shiro wrote:

Vic Teishikuro wrote:

What would also be really cool is making the ratlle the only Sub-cap to field more than 5 drones

Yet Guardian Vexor is ... terrible. Test it our on SISI, it's really terrible.

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Jasmine Assasin The Holy Rollers Likes received: 170	#52 - 2013-07-18 19:13:16 UTC WTB Rattlesnake that can do DPS without using sentry drones.

Ireland VonVicious

Vicious Trading Company

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#53 - 2013-07-18 23:58:50 UTC | Edited by: Ireland VonVicious

Giullare wrote:

Ireland VonVicious wrote:

Buddy with spider tank always helps RS in WH.

On top of that it can tank L5's

It can select damage type with ease.
Has monster range.
Has huge tank both in effective health and repair.

It is PvE king!

As a neut / Dps ship it's also one hell of a PvP boat.
Can be a sniper at the same time!

.........

It's the single most over powered sub cap in the game right now and I love it! Shocked

If you still want to give it a buff I won't argue.

Dont' take as personal but this post is full of bullXXXX.

1) wh... u need 2 blap dread, 2 triage archon , 2 armor loki. if u are doing other way u r doing it wrong.
2) select my ass, only high damage drones are gallente and only a fraction of dps comes from missile.
3) only cruise have long range, garde miss over 40km, heavy drones slow as hell, targeting lock range also...
4) this is eve not WOW, ships doesn't have " health ", btw yes it's a brick but there are other ships with similar tank and way better dps like scorpion navy, golem, vargur...
5) not king of pve because:

- anomaly --> high dps (vindi,machariel,nightmare,carrier...)
- plex --> tengu
- wh read up
- level 4 (lol.. level4)
-level 5...sure one of best ships for level 5, u still need intel, clr local, RR, i would use a faster tengu over a fat bs hull or a cheap gila
- pvp...could write till tomorrow...where do i can start. U got bhaalgorn with neut and web bonuses, t1 geddon with monster neut range and same drone damage and 1 more launcher.
U are not going to field a lone faction brick sitting still without any sort of logi,cap transfer or dps. U can have 1 bazzilion ehp u still gonna die because u r sitting pointed, webbed and scrambled. So if u bring neut take a geddon or a bhaal, if u want to play like a boss bring a nano mach with loki booster. Rattle is a coffin and sentry are the spikes.
- sniper missile bs XD no need to spend a word on it

So if u think rattle is overpowered just because a noob with low sp can tank his favorite level 4 mission...

Gardes are not the only drones in town.
Pvp snakes should be caring wardens and gardes.
This goes for neut RS especially.
Warden sniper with the cruise when you land on grid. 80-110k off targets. Pulls 952 dps at that range. (( 93.75k max range without signal amp or signal booster ))
Any ship that runs up to get a point on you attack first.
When it gets to point range it also got into neut range.
Now add the web and enjoy the kill.
If you can't catch it for some god awful reason you just neut till point breaks and warp out.

I guess the lol to L4's is saying it is the best ship for the job.

As far as WH goes I was not referring to people who live in them full time. Although still not a bad choice for that.
Many people visit WH space with spider tanked bs's and just make some isk. RS being a good choice for such things.

With Cruise missiles and gardes I pull over 1200 dps with my pve fit RS.

PvP drops down to 1140 dps

The ships you listed do not have similar health to a RS.
More of the damage comes from missiles v.s. the drones and does not get fully applied in game when using those ships.

The navy scorp does not out dps a RS even when both are using missile implants.

The geddon is a good ship for pvp neut ship. I enjoy mine very much.
But it is more for big cap fights which is not where you bring in a RS.

RS shines a lot more in non sov space play styles.
From the sounds of it that is not you.

Giullare

The Candyman is Back

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#54 - 2013-07-19 12:48:42 UTC

You are talking about " sniping rattlesnake " with warden and cruise but u don't know what u are talking about.
If u are sniping i guess u don't hold point on target or u are using dictors or tackler mates... so if u are using dedicated tacklers why take an half bil faction bs for the work a tier 3 bc can do?

Also...1200 dps with warden and cruise is unrealistic because u can get to 1200-1300 with garde, rage torpedo and a low slot rack with DDA and BCU.
So i must assume u are warrioring with eft with +6% hardwirings and overloaded launchers and officer DDA.

That said a " sniping " sentry faction bs in non sov space is like screaming in local " hey i'm here sitting 0 speed, decloak your recon 2000m from me and light a cyno! "
The mach is so popular because it kites.
Vindi and bhaalgorn are used with carrier support because even if they can engage only short or mid range they can pack quite a lot of dps and capacitor warfare.

A sniper faction bs that can't be aligned is just bad.
U can use ishtar ,gila, t1 dominix , geddon achieving the same drone dps (still they suffer from bombing runs) for way less expense.

No, 4 launchers are not worth 500 mil!

Aww yeahhh 102
Marcus Walkuris Aww yeahhh Likes received: 102	#55 - 2013-07-19 15:04:32 UTC Not to argue on what you said there. But as far as pre-aligning goes in a rattler. Set speed to 3km and align does just fine.


Giullare The Candyman is Back Likes received: 41	#56 - 2013-07-19 18:37:54 UTC Marcus Walkuris wrote: Set speed to 3km and align does just fine. What does even means? 3km it's a distance...


Marcus Walkuris Aww yeahhh Likes received: 102	#57 - 2013-07-19 19:21:32 UTC Giullare wrote: Marcus Walkuris wrote: Set speed to 3km and align does just fine. What does even means? 3km it's a distance... "Set ship speed to the minimum speed you can" Set speed to 3km PER SECOND, just pulling a very low speed out of my ass there you go. I've done it takes forever to move anywhere but you are aligned and sentries stay in range.

IIshira

School of Applied Knowledge

Caldari State

Likes received: 1,332

#58 - 2013-07-19 19:46:24 UTC

Sergeant Acht Scultz wrote:

Malcanis wrote:

CanI haveyourstuff wrote:

It should do 1800+ ish dps combined with drones.

1800 DPS at long range?

Why no, that wouldn't be overpowered at all. Why not take that up to a round 2000?

Well, Machariels and Vindicators can push this far without much pimp.

In fact I'd like to see that Rattlesnake bonus change to become more of a specialized heavy tank Cruise/Torp spewer with 75m3 drones bay, Gila is already the drones boat, we need a missiles spewer

Edit: by the way I can't remember when I saw guristas rats or Dread guristas ones dropping drones on my ships, even in 10/10

Umm no... If you want missiles get a CNR. It's a 1k+ DPS missile spewer with 100m3 drone bay (75m3 bandwidth). Gila is a cruiser.

Please post your 1800 DPS long range Machariel and Vindicator fits. I'm going out and buying one of each if I can get that much DPS at range!

Tsukino Stareine

Garoun Investment Bank

Gallente Federation

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#59 - 2013-07-19 19:53:49 UTC

I keep seeing this 1k+ dps number spewing out of the RNI, is it just me or is this complete BS?

I try and I try on EFT to make some miracle fit but the best I could come up with was this cheese fit with sentries and fury cruise and 6% implants which topped out at 1118 DPS.

It was also limited by drone control range to 80km and also applied DPS took a hit since you had to sacrifice a rigor II rig for it.

[Raven Navy Issue, pve]
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Signal Amplifier II

Dread Guristas Large Shield Booster
Large Micro Jump Drive
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Phased Weapon Navigation Array Generation Extron
Federation Navy Omnidirectional Tracking Link
Federation Navy Omnidirectional Tracking Link
Gist C-Type Shield Boost Amplifier

Cruise Missile Launcher II, Nova Fury Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Nova Fury Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Nova Fury Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Nova Fury Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Nova Fury Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Nova Fury Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Nova Fury Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Nova Fury Cruise Missile

Large Warhead Rigor Catalyst II
Large Warhead Rigor Catalyst I
Large Drone Control Range Augmentor II

Bouncer II x3

that's the fit I managed to frankenstein together but does anyone actually fly this to claim they do 1k+ dps on a RNI?

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IIshira

School of Applied Knowledge

Caldari State

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#60 - 2013-07-19 20:17:46 UTC | Edited by: IIshira

Tsukino Stareine wrote:

Sorry the 1k DPS is with my implants... It does 946 without. This is just missile DPS.

I refuse to use sentry drones on a CNR because if I wanted drones I would get a drone boat... Personal preference...

Yes my fit isn't one of the popular MJD fits but I'm just too lazy to refit at the moment.

[Raven Navy Issue, L4]
Capacitor Flux Coil II
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System

Cap Recharger II
Thermic Dissipation Field II
Kinetic Deflection Field II
Kinetic Deflection Field II
Shield Boost Amplifier II
Shield Boost Amplifier II
Large Shield Booster II

Cruise Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Fury Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Fury Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Fury Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Fury Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Fury Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Fury Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Fury Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Fury Cruise Missile

Large Capacitor Control Circuit I
Large Warhead Rigor Catalyst I
Large Warhead Rigor Catalyst I

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