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Your opinion on Jaguar and Wolf these days?
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Meditril
Hoplite Brigade
Ushra'Khan
#21 - 2013-07-12 09:28:15 UTC
Syrias Bizniz wrote:
I like the jag. It works well. And everyone underestimates it. Like, they stay in hope of an easy kill and start panicking once they reckognize that they are the easy kill.


Can you share your fitting, please?
IbanezLaney
The Church of Awesome
#22 - 2013-07-13 15:01:10 UTC
Jag can be a beast.

Came across one the other day that took forever to break.

With the right fit it is an impressive ship imo.

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TijsseN
NED-Clan
Goonswarm Federation
#23 - 2013-07-13 16:43:26 UTC
The jaguar is a fast and versatile heavy tackling frigate since it has four midslots so it can fit a shield extender, full tackle and MWD or AB. The lowslots can be filled up with nanofibers to give it suprising agility and speed. DPS is not its strong point in that configuration, but my fleetmates will take care of that.
Syrias Bizniz
some random local shitlords
#24 - 2013-07-13 17:06:39 UTC
Meditril wrote:
Syrias Bizniz wrote:
I like the jag. It works well. And everyone underestimates it. Like, they stay in hope of an easy kill and start panicking once they reckognize that they are the easy kill.


Can you share your fitting, please?


No. Work out your own for the things you want to do with it. But it certainly can engage a Navy Vexor solo.
Baali Tekitsu
AQUILA INC
#25 - 2013-07-14 03:12:43 UTC
Syrias Bizniz wrote:
Meditril wrote:
Syrias Bizniz wrote:
I like the jag. It works well. And everyone underestimates it. Like, they stay in hope of an easy kill and start panicking once they reckognize that they are the easy kill.


Can you share your fitting, please?


No. Work out your own for the things you want to do with it. But it certainly can engage a Navy Vexor solo.


I would doubt hat Vexor Navy part, though I have to admit, the dual MASB fit is the only assault frig my Thrasher has to fear in a straight brawl.

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Garviel Tarrant
Beyond Divinity Inc
Shadow Cartel
#26 - 2013-07-14 15:44:28 UTC
Syrias Bizniz wrote:
Meditril wrote:
Syrias Bizniz wrote:
I like the jag. It works well. And everyone underestimates it. Like, they stay in hope of an easy kill and start panicking once they reckognize that they are the easy kill.


Can you share your fitting, please?


No. Work out your own for the things you want to do with it. But it certainly can engage a Navy Vexor solo.


Jag is ****

it dies to all the other AF's and gets violated by most the navy frigs too. Hell its quite killable in an Incursus...

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Taoist Dragon
Okata Syndicate
#27 - 2013-07-14 20:52:06 UTC  |  Edited by: Taoist Dragon
Garviel Tarrant wrote:
Syrias Bizniz wrote:
Meditril wrote:
Syrias Bizniz wrote:
I like the jag. It works well. And everyone underestimates it. Like, they stay in hope of an easy kill and start panicking once they reckognize that they are the easy kill.


Can you share your fitting, please?


No. Work out your own for the things you want to do with it. But it certainly can engage a Navy Vexor solo.


Jag is ****

it dies to all the other AF's and gets violated by most the navy frigs too. Hell its quite killable in an Incursus...


Incursus can kill a lot of things. But then again so can the merlin, rifter, tristan, punisher, tormentor, executioner, slasher, condor, kessy, atron, breacher.......come one this kind of arguement is pretty crap since the rebalances really.

The main thing about the Jag I find is the DPS is very poor compared to the other AF's. It's tank and speed can surpass most of them so it kinda balances out.

The main issue I find is that the optimal bonus is a pretty poor bonus for it and that it is a jack of all trades, master of none type of ship. In the hands of a competant pilot the Jag can do some amazing stuff. In the hands of a noob who doen't have much of clue it will die horribly.

That is the Way, the Tao.

Balance is everything.
Plato Forko
123 Fake Street
#28 - 2013-07-15 21:15:20 UTC
The only issue with the Jag is that making good use of all its bonuses means pigeonholing yourself into a role that can be served just as well by an attack frigate for far less ISK and without the need of a cap booster.
Garviel Tarrant
Beyond Divinity Inc
Shadow Cartel
#29 - 2013-07-15 21:52:45 UTC
Taoist Dragon wrote:
Garviel Tarrant wrote:
Syrias Bizniz wrote:
Meditril wrote:
Syrias Bizniz wrote:
I like the jag. It works well. And everyone underestimates it. Like, they stay in hope of an easy kill and start panicking once they reckognize that they are the easy kill.


Can you share your fitting, please?


No. Work out your own for the things you want to do with it. But it certainly can engage a Navy Vexor solo.


Jag is ****

it dies to all the other AF's and gets violated by most the navy frigs too. Hell its quite killable in an Incursus...


Incursus can kill a lot of things. But then again so can the merlin, rifter, tristan, punisher, tormentor, executioner, slasher, condor, kessy, atron, breacher.......come one this kind of arguement is pretty crap since the rebalances really.

The main thing about the Jag I find is the DPS is very poor compared to the other AF's. It's tank and speed can surpass most of them so it kinda balances out.

The main issue I find is that the optimal bonus is a pretty poor bonus for it and that it is a jack of all trades, master of none type of ship. In the hands of a competant pilot the Jag can do some amazing stuff. In the hands of a noob who doen't have much of clue it will die horribly.



None of the other AF's gets killed by a t1 frig inside of scram range as easily. You can kill the enyo that way but its a really hard fight. Against the others you will just die.

The jag has nothing of value over the other t2 frigs. Its a waste of isk to fly one.

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Taoist Dragon
Okata Syndicate
#30 - 2013-07-15 22:29:56 UTC
Garviel Tarrant wrote:


None of the other AF's gets killed by a t1 frig inside of scram range as easily. You can kill the enyo that way but its a really hard fight. Against the others you will just die.

The jag has nothing of value over the other t2 frigs. Its a waste of isk to fly one.


Enyo is generally pretty easy to kill if you scram kite ala rail incursus or scorch tormentor, hell even 200mm auto rifter can do it. Most people flying an enyo only put AM or void in because of 'looks at those deeps man!' I soloed an typical fit enyo a couple of months or so ago in my Tormentor and he didn't even get through my shields! (in a bloody amarr boat! thats bad).

Now I'll concede that if a pilot knows what he's doing and loads up null he should have whelped me bad but this goes back to my previous posts and my general philosophy on pvp in eve. It has more to do with the pilot than the ship as there is ship dieing all the time to ships that SHOULDN'T be able to kill them, but it happens. And no it's not always down to links and shite.

For example I soloed a dramiel in my punisher Twisted I know how much you hate them Lol and you know what the real stickler is?

...

I didn't even have any tackle fitted, just an AB & web. He landed on grid thinking of an easy kill and got owned in about 10 secs flat before it even registered that he was losing.

Pilot first - ship second. It is one of the most fun things about eve pvp, the pychology of how players fit/fly their ships.



Now back to the original question. The Jag can field a comparable tank and far greater speed that the other AF. Hell it can go faster than most of the T1 'combat' frigs. But to compensate for this it does mediocre damage. Literally just think of it as a T2 rifter.

The wolf on the other hand has excellent damage and projection with both AC's and arti's and can fit a formidable armour tank. It doesn't have such a speed advantage that the Jag does, especially if it is plated, but it can still motor along. I find the wolf is the minnies attempt to beat the retribution at it's own game.

One glaring weakness of both ships is the crap capacitor.....It's shite!

That is the Way, the Tao.

Balance is everything.
Substantia Nigra
Polaris Rising
Goonswarm Federation
#31 - 2013-07-16 21:47:36 UTC
We operate a wolf-based fleet doctrine, amongst others. It's a very effective comp in the role its designed for, but that is not solo or leet pvp play.

I guess I am almost a 'vet' by now. Hopefully not too bitter and managing to help more than I hinder. I build and sell many things, including large collections of bookmarks.
Suzu Fujibayashi
Happy Dudes
#32 - 2013-07-17 10:10:17 UTC
Jaguar has good (shield) tank because of T2 resist profile. It just lacks damage and to some degree range. Just try to compensate with the fitting. Something like this:

[Jaguar, shield]
Pseudoelectron Containment Field I
Gyrostabilizer II
Gyrostabilizer II
Nanofiber Internal Structure II

Experimental 1MN Afterburner I
Medium Shield Extender II
X5 Prototype Engine Enervator
J5b Phased Prototype Warp Scrambler I

200mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma S
200mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma S
Rocket Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Rocket
200mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma S

Small Anti-Kinetic Screen Reinforcer I
Small Projectile Burst Aerator I

I would try my luck against any AF in this.
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