Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Dear CCP Devs,

I recently watched a streaming service on Twitch TV (linked below) where the pilot got caught by a Sabre in his pod upon jumping through a gate in nullsec. The pilot opened his character sheet and unplugged all his implants before decloaking just to prevent them from showing up on his kill mail.

This is just as much an exploit as the old issues of self destructing a ship to cheat your enemies of the kill mail and ejecting from a Tech 3 cruiser before it was destroyed to prevent skill point loss.

Please fix this somehow.

Video Example from Twitch. (Link last verified on July 18th)

EDIT: Summary of important points now that the thread has reached page 4

There are far more important issues with higher priorities for a fix/improvement

A lot of people don't care about the kill mails being de-valued by this

Some people do care about the kill mails being devalued

This is only an exploit in the case that the offending pilot has a bounty. Here's why:

The offending pilot is able to prevent their attacker claiming a bounty and there is absolutely no way for the attackers to prevent this.

There's a lot of split opinion on this. Can we maybe have a Dev weigh in with their opinion?

Please note my suggested fix before suggesting that I am biased against wormhole people.

No tears. This has never affected me personally. It just seems like an exploit to me, especially since you can do it while holding gate cloak. If you think about it, how many other things can you do while holding gate cloak? Not many.

That's a fair point, however I would say you are talking about immersion rather than gameplay. To take immersion 1 step further... Even if you unplugged your implants, they would still be in your wreckage for people sifting through to find. They should still appear on your loss mail imo, but I accept that people will disagree. Thanks for your feedback.

Now I see where you're coming from!

I have no problem with people removing their implants before they set off for PvP. Personally I always clone jump into a cheap clone before going off and risking that clone.

The exploit, as I see it, is when people know they are about to get podded and are able to unplug those implants mere seconds before getting blown up. They don't gain anything by doing so except spiting their opponents.

Maybe it's not an exploit after all, but CCP have "fixed" issues like this in the past where pilots are able to "cheat their enemies of the prize" using in-game mechanics. Examples include logging off caps in a fight (fixed), self-destructing before getting destroyed (fixed) and ejecting from T3 cruisers to avoid losing skill points (fixed).

Because if they don't appear on the killmail, they're not really destroyed....?

The issue is with the inability to show and tell. A bit shallow a reason but that's the same reason they got rid of self destructing to cheat mails, so the argument is valid imo.

I consider this a small issue in the grand scheme of things...

The implants are destroyed..... so there is no real exploit.


I don't hold a lot of stock on KB efficiency, so this isn't super important to me. The solution, if it can be done easily, is simply to prevent players from unplugging implants when they are cloaked, and/or when they have a weapons timer. I'm just not convinced it is worth the dev time!

Some people are compensating for lack of other things and need the e-peen to make up for it. I'll use the same argument I used for SD way back....ships (now implants) is/are lost, the target is spending more isk to get them back....mission accomplished. Unless deprived on a solo kill its not like the km is an indication of uber ability. I have me a t3 kill in drake. Do I claim that a sign of my pvp prowess...no. Like 6 others on it. Fast tackles to lok her down, more immediate gun dps and a recon for some e-war boosts. that over 1 bil kill wasn't all me.


If a solo kill...you got the killmail not loaded with 10 people on it, still a damn good day.

Long story short....I don't place much support in the idea of isk efficiency. I am not a great pvp'er but I have a great effiieciency on the pvp char. When you die like a mupper in a drake all sins are forgiven later when you km ho 6+ cap kills. 60 mil loss to being stupid wiped away when you collect 6+ km's at no less than 1.5 bil a piece.

I'm going to start bubble camping and then not blowing up pods. That'll show them.