Warfare & Tactics

So I am 0-3 thus far. That's okay. obviously I am doing something wrong, but WHAT am I doing wrong...that is the question I pose unto thee.

So here is the thing....I have only been killing NPCs in missions. And WHILE doing that I discovered that long range weapons were the way to go...ergo...I tend to lean towards long range weapons. And I only really want to fly Caldari and Caldari boats tend to lean towards missles.

So how am I supposed to use long range weapons in pvp, specifically FW pvp? All of my losses so far (except for the getting got at the gate camp) have occured while I was attempting an offensive novice plex. Here is how they basically went down. I usually start out killing the NPC. Depending on whether I am using missles or rails, I orbit around teh NPC at optimal range. When he is dead I scan and wait. I usually orbit 30K away from teh beacon thing because that is where the enemy will come in right? So I want to be AWAY from that because they will more than likely have short range weapons.

When they arrive, I automatically hit orbit for optimal range. I think this is where I get in trouble because everytime it seems they close the distance SUPER freaking fast. like before I even know what is going on. Then they tackle me with warp disruptors and statsis and by then I am a sitting duck. All I can do is fire and pray...I can't get away and my guns can't track as well that close.

So.....what am I doing wrong here? I think what I need to do is as soon as an enemy player arrives, I should target him and hit "keep at distance" instead of orbit. that SHOULD get me out of his range before he can do anything right? And then depending on if he has a microdrive or not he shouldn't be able to catch up.....right? Should I just abandon long range weapons when I am plexing or pvp'ing in general? Can I be a successful brawler with rockets? Is there any hope for your buddy Enockx Kaine?

ANy advice or links to places with tactics or anything to help me learn faster would be greatly appreciated.

Posting you ship's fitting helps.

Do you have a micro warp drive? Do you use it? What ship are you trying to kite with?

There is no way to know if someone is plexing. You just know when a WT is in system for a couple of minutes. He is in a plex.

You must be in a different tz to your other guys.


Try and talk to Smook or Sean.
JuricM, MostNoobs and Sol (+ a few more) should also be able to help with a some pvp fits/tactics.

Jump in your Alliances/Corps public channel and you will find me there and I can help.
Your/Our TS3 usually has a few people in it.

Even in the quiet times you should have a few Alliance members on who can help.
Come on one of the small roams we do near dt on many weeknights.

You will have to put up with me is the only drawback.


You should be living in Enaluri as well - that way people can help you.

If you still live in High sec we can't help as efficiently.

Only three fights? That's what you're doing wrong.

Only 2 of your losses are showing up on eve-kill, so I can't talk about the merlin that you lost.

Your Cormorant Loss - http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=18509179

Things you did wrong:
1) You did not have a MWD. Using and AB instead does not give you the speed you need to kite in PVP
2) You dual tanked your ship! Never ever dual tank!
3) You did not have a point mod on your ship, so even if you somehow were winning, they would just run away
4) You tried to kite with anti-matter ammo. Only the harpy can pull that off.
5) You did not use faction ammunition. Never use regular ammo in PVP, faction ammo is better and can be used with the same skills. Use Caldari Navy anti-matter.

Your Corax Loss - http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=18509177
1) You have no propulsion mod on this ship - nothing to make you move quickly, makes it impossible to even try to kite
2) You have no point on the ship again
3) You have not used all the fitting slots on the ship
4) You have not used faction ammo again


From the looks of it, you are really struggling with ship fitting. You should train your Engineering skills to level 4, then your weapon upgrades skill to 5, then advanced weapon upgrades to 4, then engineering to 5.

Without these fitting skills, you are relying too much on fitting mods and rigs to arm your ship, and are losing out on the ability to put damage or tanking modules in instead.

Your fits are ****, so I assume you tactics are as well.

Go join RvB and learn basic mechanics then give it another go. You won't get anywhere until you learn the basics.

Not the only drawback, one of the biggest mind you, the other is following me in a suicide run against overwhelming odds!

You got killed by Rakkanar, he is 1. on Battleclinic

And seeing how Battleclinic rankings are pure distilled pvp skill, I'm pretty sure that makes him a PVP god.

yup yup.

You should come out with us on our pre DT roams and we'll show you how to get killed by any general gal scrub

We will help him.

No need for RvB.