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Doing C3s completely solo in a Legion viable at all?
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Xequecal
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#1 - 2013-07-04 16:40:37 UTC  |  Edited by: Xequecal
By this, I don't mean doing the C3 with the Legion and then having a second account collect the loot. I mean doing everything with one ship, as I don't have multiple accounts. I came up with this fit:

Corelum C-type Medium Armor Repairer
Corelum C-type Medium Armor Repairer
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II

Federation Navy 100mn Afterburner
Data Analyzer I
Relic Analyzer I

Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II
Salvager I
Expanded Probe Launcher I

Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I
Medium Capacitor Control Circuit II
Medium Auxiliary Nano Pump II

Legion Defensive - Nanobot Injector
Legion Electronics - Emergent Locus Analyzer
Legion Engineering - Augmented Capacitor Reservoir
Legion Offensive - Assault Optimization
Legion Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst

600 DPS tank, it's got quite a bit of cap to spare so it's neut resistant, it's got all three recovery modules and the 100mn AB makes you at least somewhat resistant to being easily ganked.

Is this worth doing at all? Legion only has a 300m3 cargohold and I have to carry missiles and probes, am I going to fill that up with the loot from half a site, making the whole effort pointless? Or will I be able to haul away multiple sites before having to find my way back to high sec to unload loot and get more missiles?
Bamsey Amraa
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#2 - 2013-07-04 17:08:48 UTC
Yep looks good go for it.
Tinu Moorhsum
Random Events
#3 - 2013-07-04 17:11:45 UTC
600 dps tank should be enough for a C3. Legion is a very short range ship though so it might involve a lot of burning back and forth to run some of the sites.
Derath Ellecon
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#4 - 2013-07-04 18:06:26 UTC
Yes it should be doable. I have a corp mate that used to run them solo in a C3. Although he would go back and salvage with a noctis.

A couple of thoughts in general.

First. I'd skip the radars and Mags. The time it takes to hack the cans isn't worth the loot anymore. And the loot is bulky. doing so frees up 2 mid slots for something.

Also, skipping radars/mags now means you are overtanked. My friend referenced above ran anoms solo all the time in a single med repped legion without issue. Well he would occasionally overheat the rep, but that's what Paste is for.

This was his C3 fit.
[Legion, C3 farmer]

Corpum C-Type Medium Armor Repairer
Imperial Navy Energized Thermic Membrane
Corpum A-Type Energized EM Membrane
Imperial Navy Heat Sink
Imperial Navy Heat Sink
Imperial Navy Heat Sink
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II

Large Capacitor Battery II
Cap Recharger II
Tracking Computer II, Tracking Speed Script
Federation Navy 10MN Afterburner

Heavy Pulse Laser II, Scorch M
Heavy Pulse Laser II, Scorch M
Heavy Pulse Laser II, Scorch M
Heavy Pulse Laser II, Scorch M
Heavy Pulse Laser II, Scorch M

Medium Nanobot Accelerator I
Medium Auxiliary Nano Pump I
Medium Auxiliary Nano Pump I

Legion Defensive - Nanobot Injector
Legion Engineering - Capacitor Regeneration Matrix
Legion Offensive - Liquid Crystal Magnifiers
Legion Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst
Legion Electronics - Dissolution Sequencer


And I just played around with it to make this. Kind of a laser version of yours. Benefit being lasers will pop sleeper frigates better than HAMs, and no ammo to worry about.

[Legion, C3 farmer all in one]

Corpum C-Type Medium Armor Repairer
Imperial Navy Energized Thermic Membrane
Corpum A-Type Energized EM Membrane
Imperial Navy Heat Sink
Imperial Navy Heat Sink
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II

Medium Peroxide Capacitor Power Cell
Cap Recharger II
Federation Navy 10MN Afterburner

Heavy Pulse Laser II, Conflagration M
Heavy Pulse Laser II, Conflagration M
Heavy Pulse Laser II, Conflagration M
Heavy Pulse Laser II, Conflagration M
Heavy Pulse Laser II, Conflagration M
Salvager I
Expanded Probe Launcher I

Medium Auxiliary Nano Pump II
Medium Nanobot Accelerator II
Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I

Legion Defensive - Nanobot Injector
Legion Engineering - Augmented Capacitor Reservoir
Legion Offensive - Liquid Crystal Magnifiers
Legion Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst
Legion Electronics - Emergent Locus Analyzer
Xequecal
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#5 - 2013-07-04 19:05:12 UTC
How is salvaging the sites in a Noctis really viable? With the amount you have to roam around to find the C3, by the time you find a WH with a site your Noctis could be 16 jumps away.
Derath Ellecon
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#6 - 2013-07-04 19:20:08 UTC
Xequecal wrote:
How is salvaging the sites in a Noctis really viable? With the amount you have to roam around to find the C3, by the time you find a WH with a site your Noctis could be 16 jumps away.


Well in our case we lived in the C3 at the time.
Icarus Able
Refuse.Resist
#7 - 2013-07-04 21:07:25 UTC
Yeh just skip the Containers most of the cash is in the Blue Loot and Nanos and without a T2 salvager or tackle rigs your gonna be spending a lot of time just salvaging the large wrecks so i might even skip that tbh.
Xequecal
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#8 - 2013-07-04 21:54:04 UTC  |  Edited by: Xequecal
So you think even the salvager isn't worth it? Just shoot the rats and loot the wrecks? Because if I drop the salvager I could fit a cloak for even more defense against ganking. I could also scout through lowsec for wormholes and just instawarp through gate camps.
Derath Ellecon
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#9 - 2013-07-04 22:41:46 UTC
Xequecal wrote:
So you think even the salvager isn't worth it? Just shoot the rats and loot the wrecks? Because if I drop the salvager I could fit a cloak for even more defense against ganking. I could also scout through lowsec for wormholes and just instawarp through gate camps.


Most C3 anoms are going to average about 30mil per site in "blue loot". You can potentially double that with salvage depending on ribbon drops. So salvaging can be worth it. That being said you have the same chance of a ribbon drop with a frigate and BS (although a BS will often drop more than one)

I ran into a guy one running them solo in a c2. I was pretty impressed how he just orbited a wreck salvaging while shooting the next sleeper. I was only in a stealth bomber so I could only observe but it was doing fairly well
Xequecal
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#10 - 2013-07-07 23:35:09 UTC
Ok, now that I've done this for awhile, I have to ask.....are there ANY C2s and C3s that aren't occupied? I've been in at least 30 now and have yet to find one without a POS installed. Made about 500m ISK so far but have had several close calls with cloaked covops or recons. I'm not sure how people do anomalies at all without getting ganked within hours. By sticking to data/relic sites at least you force them to probe you out, and you can see the probes on dscan. It's pretty harrowing to hit scan and suddenly see 8 combat probes plus 2 Tengus, a Proteus, Sleipnir, and an Arazu.
Derath Ellecon
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#11 - 2013-07-07 23:42:04 UTC  |  Edited by: Derath Ellecon
Xequecal wrote:
Ok, now that I've done this for awhile, I have to ask.....are there ANY C2s and C3s that aren't occupied? I've been in at least 30 now and have yet to find one without a POS installed. Made about 500m ISK so far but have had several close calls with cloaked covops or recons. I'm not sure how people do anomalies at all without getting ganked within hours. By sticking to data/relic sites at least you force them to probe you out, and you can see the probes on dscan. It's pretty harrowing to hit scan and suddenly see 8 combat probes plus 2 Tengus, a Proteus, Sleipnir, and an Arazu.


I hate both C2's and C3's for that reason. On the other hand they are great when roaming around bored.

And yes there are a fair number of empty C2 and C3 systems. But they are the ones with nullsec statics Lol
Xequecal
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#12 - 2013-07-08 01:03:29 UTC
Yeah I figured as much, next I'm going to try just fitting the Legion with covops cloak and flying around in low sec, then just changing back at the nearest station when I find a good one.
Job Valador
Professional Amateurs
#13 - 2013-07-08 02:39:30 UTC  |  Edited by: Job Valador
If you were thinking about my hole, don't. already did the sites today (learn too change your ship names mate, I was the guy in the abbadon) as for the fit though derath normally knows what he talks about. Also as for WH occupants, ya, you will find most C3 with people living in it. My only advice is too keep an ear too the sell order forums as corp are moving out of them all the time, or go through the boring dance of siege and eviction, that is if you want too live in one anyway Straight .

"The stone exhibited a profound lack of movement."
Xequecal
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#14 - 2013-07-13 04:36:04 UTC  |  Edited by: Xequecal
Well, this little experiment is basically dead, while I ran the C3s ok, after getting ganked twice and losing a half million skillpoints and a billion ISK in Legions it's just not worth it. I didn't really understand how helpless you are against the gangs that roam through there without a POS shield to hide behind. One gank I might have avoided if I paid better attention, as he just warped to my anom and scrammed me before I saw him, but the other time? I saw it coming and got to my safe spot, aligned to something and tried to wait out the timer, only to find that they were consistently probing me down in less than a minute. Can't logoff safely, can't warp to the wormhole, that exits to low sec and you just get killed on the other side. I warped to random objects and when the 5 minute timer ran out, I made a mid-warp bookmark, warped to it, and logged off. Logged back into a station. When you die even when you catch them on d-scan, it's just pointless.

In case anyone cares, I found an actual use for the Legion drone subsystem, as I was pulling in 80m/hour while I was still alive with this fit, if anyone wants to risk it, go ahead:

2x Corelum C-type MAR
Imperial Navy EANM
2x Drone Damage Aug II

Domination 100mn AB
3x Cap Recharger

4x Heavy Pulse Laser II
Salvager
Tractor Beam
Expanded Probe launcher

Ancillary Current Router II
Auxiliary Nano Pump II
Salvage Tackle II

Nanobot Injector
Emergent Locus Analyzer
Drone Synthesis Projector
Fuel Catalyst
Augmented Capacitor Reservoir

Tractor in the wrecks and salvage them while pew pewing the next sleeper. It's more DPS than a 5x HP II fit. Only the sleeper frigs can track Hammerhead IIs at all, so you rarely lose drones. Occasionally against a 4-6 frig wave they will switch and you lose a drone, but you have a 200m3 drone bay so you can carry 15 spares. You'll fill your cargohold with blue loot and salvage before you run out of those.
Job Valador
Professional Amateurs
#15 - 2013-07-13 07:45:57 UTC
TBH ill probably use your fit. Good on you for trying wormholes. One day you should grab a couple of friends and buy yourself an empty low sec static c3 and set up a pos and all that jazz. It is a good staging point for low sec roams if you can stand doing Fuel logi through low sec and when you run the sleeper sites you can easily make enough isk too fuel the station and have cash leftover for alot of shiny pew pew

"The stone exhibited a profound lack of movement."
Chi'Nane T'Kal
Interminatus
#16 - 2013-07-13 13:26:24 UTC
Am I the only one who finds it a bit naive to not expect being hunted down when you impede other's income in their own territory?
In an environment where people will usually hunt you without giving them an incentive in the first place, just for that shiny T3 killmail?
Rroff
Antagonistic Tendencies
#17 - 2013-07-13 17:16:27 UTC
Yeah solo roaming wormhole space to run sites doesn't really work (or atleast the effort to make it work is probably not worth the reward) hence why most people establish a POS in a system with a good static to run sites in.
Xequecal
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#18 - 2013-07-13 22:29:20 UTC
Chi'Nane T'Kal wrote:
Am I the only one who finds it a bit naive to not expect being hunted down when you impede other's income in their own territory?
In an environment where people will usually hunt you without giving them an incentive in the first place, just for that shiny T3 killmail?


TBH I completely expected people to try and gank me. What surprised me was the completely inescapable nature of the ganks, I thought that if I could see them on dscan and get off grid before being scrammed I could survive. Did not think it was possible to reliably probe a ship down and warp to them in <60 sec over and over.
Cipher Jones
The Thomas Edwards Taco Tuesday All Stars
#19 - 2013-07-14 21:50:31 UTC
You will eventually get ganked running sites completely solo, no matter how slick you think you are.

internet spaceships

are serious business sir.

and don't forget it
Xequecal
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#20 - 2013-07-15 11:01:37 UTC
Cipher Jones wrote:
You will eventually get ganked running sites completely solo, no matter how slick you think you are.


It's way less boring than running l4s, and with the amount of drama that seems to surround incursions, I think I dodged a bullet by staying away from those as well.
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