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Could someone either explain to me the exact nature of the hostility between the 2 main fleets of Shield Tanked incursion groups. I know one got the word shiny in their name and I cant remember the others name. Does this same animosity exist in the armor tanked fleets?

[quote=Zappity]Also highsec bears.

Also, what do the locals think of Incursion groups farming the Incursions and keeping the local space screwed up for extended periods of time so they can be milked for the Incursion fleets profit?

Just few minutes ago I had conversation with one of the "highsec bears" whos alt (more like main) pilot is in Wildly Inappropriate / Goonswarm. Couple days ago I met old TVP logi commander - he's in Nulli Secunda now. I believe at least half of pilots use incursions to sponsor their low/null PvP activities.

Incursions are not better than null ISK, per hour. Not by a long shot, even in the top end ISN HQ fleets.

There are a couple of main groups that run HQ with shield ships:

Disclaimer: I am a little biased towards 1 of these groups, but I will try to be as objective as possible (lies already :P)

ISN or Incursion Shiny network: They currently have the highest standards for ship fittings, and are generally the best at doing incrusions (winning most contests and fastest sites with minimal losses). Although they do have higher standards than other communities they aren't elitist, and will accept any pilot with the right fittings and skills and teach them how to do incursions.

Policy: Contest whenever they can (more iskies and fun) and never kill the last mom in highsec.

TVP: They have the largest numbers of pilots, due mainly to their low fitting standards. They are a good starting ground if you are just starting incursion and dont have the skills, iskies to fly a more expensive ship. They fly shiny ships but it mostly gets watered down by the other less than optimal ships they fly with. All in all a healthy community, albeit bloated leadership and sometimes loss in the sense of direction. They also suffer from false "propaganda' in their channels.

Policy: Depends on the FC currently running really, so can range from contesting a fleet they have a chance of beating, to outright killing the mom when they lose one.

DIN Flotten: A german multiboxer community, where a fleet of 40 ships is usually piloted with less than 20 people. They usually fly shiny, but most of the members multibox so they are now regarded as the worst Incursion community (efficiency wise) losing almost all of their contests. Some pilots having 10 pilots in a fleet of 40 ships at any one time. They fit the "angry german" stereotype, at least at the the leader ship level. Sadly they have the worst form of false "propaganda" relying on outright (albeit hilarious) lies to save face, and that is made that much easier with the language barrier (mostly German speaking community).

Policy: Multiboxers get in fleet before real pilot on the queue, and kill every mom in highsec if we get contested even once.

Extra Quotes by DIN Flotten: "ISN made them do the mom", "this is our incrusion", "It's ok that I lost my 5b mach, I have 78 others"

WTM: it's a relatively new incursion community that to my limited knowledge is an offshoot of either TVP or DIN, (or both). Efficiency wise they aren't that bad and run relatively shiny fleets.

Policies: Unknown to me

There are other notable incursion communities, armor (they mostly keep to themselves and don't run as much the shield fleet (less efficient especially in hqs). You also have some form of a Russian community that sporadically shows up, but they also keep mostly to themselves.

Now in Incursions you can contest sites, where a fleet is a winner and the other the loser, one gets the iskies and the other gets none. Now since ISN is the best, they win most to all of their contests. ISN are aggressive with their contesting as the "good sites" (best isk efficiency) gets done by all fleets as they spawn. Now the other communities hold the belief that sites shouldn't be contested, and call it "unfair" and "there is enough for everyone". Of course ISN likes contesting and sees no reason it shouldn't do it (more iskies, more fun). Now that might sound elitist, but ISN pays for it by being better organized and having better ships and skills. After all it asks its members for higher investments than the other communities, why should the members invest so much if they see no return? The other communities respond to that by killing the mom sites which kills the incursion, and noone can do sites anymore (no more iskies). Now this of course hurts all incursion communities and is really the "nuclear option". Of course it hurts the incursion communities invoking the nuclear option as they are usually the "poorer" communities and need the iskies the most. This of course is not sustainable and soon, will have accept the fact, that either they need to step up their game (better ships) or do the cheaper sites. Don't get me wrong ISN does get damaged from the moms popping, but they get hurt the least, as they have the richest base and are generally more tightly knitted and organized. It is now really a battle of wills, who can hold out longer.

So there it is, your drama, and I know it is a long post. Whoever said you cant have spais and drama in highsec, well here you go. And for people that are going to call this carebear acting tough, remember an average fleet of 40 pilots can make 4b an hour in incursions, that is (conservatively) 20b a day and 600b a month for each community. The big war in null sec is being fought for 200b/month worth of moons, by tens of thousands of players.

killing a mothership to complete a finished incursion isn't griefing

keeping an incursion open and preventing other people from using that constellation, on the other hand...