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How many people have falcon alts?
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Jasmine Assasin
The Holy Rollers
#21 - 2013-07-14 20:52:33 UTC
Anybody that plays EVE solo and expects to win should be running missions (!)

Bear
Darth Gustav
Sith Interstellar Tech Harvesting
#22 - 2013-07-14 20:52:44 UTC
Frostys Virpio wrote:
RubyPorto wrote:
How would the result have been any different if he had brought in an alt in some other ship? Talos would have killed you, Logi would have let him kill you, Curse would have neuted you, etc. So the fact that it's a Falcon is irrelevant.

Flying solo comes at the risk of being outnumbered. You learned this today. Prepare better next time.


That hit the nail straight on the head. There are 2 solution to solve this. Bring your own alt OR bring a friend. The friend is the super duper solution because then you don't even have to micromanage 2 ships. You can keep doing what you ususally do and the other ship has something controling it without any inputs coming from you. It's basicly like hacking except there is nothing illegal about it and it gives you someone to talk to during your roam while you are looking for targts.

Super duper OP I tell you.

More to the point, one Falcon is not the "I win!" button it is consistently made out to be here.

In all honesty, I think that the Falcon and Rook could use a minor buff to their EHP.

I should mention that I hate Caldari, so you can count on this being an extremely conservative viewpoint. I loathe the thought of buffing Caldari anything, but there you go.

He who trolls trolls best when he who is trolled trolls the troller. -Darth Gustav's Axiom
Miilla
Hulkageddon Orphanage
#23 - 2013-07-14 20:53:23 UTC
Jasmine Assasin wrote:
Anybody that plays EVE solo and expects to win should be running missions (!)

Bear



This just in, I already won.
Darth Gustav
Sith Interstellar Tech Harvesting
#24 - 2013-07-14 20:55:31 UTC
Miilla wrote:
Jasmine Assasin wrote:
Anybody that plays EVE solo and expects to win should be running missions (!)

Bear



This just in, I already won.

OOOH OOOOOOH! Angel Extravaganza for the 1,048,576th time!

Did you remember to blow up the thing and scoop the Skill Hardwiring?!?

Of course you did...Pirate

He who trolls trolls best when he who is trolled trolls the troller. -Darth Gustav's Axiom
Frostys Virpio
State War Academy
Caldari State
#25 - 2013-07-14 21:10:19 UTC
Miilla wrote:
Jasmine Assasin wrote:
Anybody that plays EVE solo and expects to win should be running missions (!)

Bear



This just in, I already won.


You unsubbed?
Miilla
Hulkageddon Orphanage
#26 - 2013-07-14 21:10:42 UTC
Darth Gustav wrote:
Miilla wrote:
Jasmine Assasin wrote:
Anybody that plays EVE solo and expects to win should be running missions (!)

Bear



This just in, I already won.

OOOH OOOOOOH! Angel Extravaganza for the 1,048,576th time!

Did you remember to blow up the thing and scoop the Skill Hardwiring?!?

Of course you did...Pirate


More like Angel Exageration.

Drama queen much?
Darth Gustav
Sith Interstellar Tech Harvesting
#27 - 2013-07-14 21:36:04 UTC
Miilla wrote:
Darth Gustav wrote:
Miilla wrote:
Jasmine Assasin wrote:
Anybody that plays EVE solo and expects to win should be running missions (!)

Bear



This just in, I already won.

OOOH OOOOOOH! Angel Extravaganza for the 1,048,576th time!

Did you remember to blow up the thing and scoop the Skill Hardwiring?!?

Of course you did...Pirate


More like Angel Exageration.

Drama queen much?

Huh?

That was me being friendly.

If you want drama though, that's in a different forum.

He who trolls trolls best when he who is trolled trolls the troller. -Darth Gustav's Axiom
Phaade
LowKey Ops
Snuffed Out
#28 - 2013-07-14 21:37:43 UTC
Darth Gustav wrote:
Phaade wrote:
Lately, I've been noticing a lot of what I consider to be not only pathetic, but just plain broken.

All forms of ewar, aside from ECM, are simple debuffs to certain aspects of your ship, and can usually be managed in a fight. ECM can not.

I am 50% into the structure of my target and his pal whilst soloing, and he lands his jackass falcon alt. Yay, perma jammed, fights over, I literally can do nothing but watch my ship blow up.

Anyone else see a problem with this? There are plenty of things that Ewar should do aside from break your lock, which is essentially a 20 second and spammable "stun."

Makes Soloing in PvP a lot less fun.


I don't see a problem here at all.

If you had been in a drone boat using sentry drones the Falcon would have been:

a) Useless
b) Dead, if he didn't bail out in a timely fashion.

ECM stops vessels that rely on maintaining a lock from combat, but saying ECM can't be managed in a fight is absolutely wrong.



You're right, the falcon only counters 97% of ships, not EVERY one. And no, it can't be managed without that particular ship and that particular setup. Better have the sentries out and not the hammerheads (or whatever).

Saying that I should have a specific ship, with a specific drone is hardly a reasonable response. Add the fact that my drones stick to current target, and I can't tell them to switch without locking a target (yes, i could have put them on the Falcon if i reacted fast enough) makes your argument even weaker.

It's particularly irritating when he simply logs on the falcon; his alt was not in local.

You don't see the obvious shenanigans involved in this situation? ECM is not cool man, it's not cool. All other ewar (including neuts) are far cooler / more reasonable than ECM.

Alas, the threads are full of "DEAL WITH IT" instead of discussing any sort of true... balance, for lack of a better word.
Darth Gustav
Sith Interstellar Tech Harvesting
#29 - 2013-07-14 21:43:42 UTC
Phaade wrote:
Darth Gustav wrote:
Phaade wrote:
Lately, I've been noticing a lot of what I consider to be not only pathetic, but just plain broken.

All forms of ewar, aside from ECM, are simple debuffs to certain aspects of your ship, and can usually be managed in a fight. ECM can not.

I am 50% into the structure of my target and his pal whilst soloing, and he lands his jackass falcon alt. Yay, perma jammed, fights over, I literally can do nothing but watch my ship blow up.

Anyone else see a problem with this? There are plenty of things that Ewar should do aside from break your lock, which is essentially a 20 second and spammable "stun."

Makes Soloing in PvP a lot less fun.


I don't see a problem here at all.

If you had been in a drone boat using sentry drones the Falcon would have been:

a) Useless
b) Dead, if he didn't bail out in a timely fashion.

ECM stops vessels that rely on maintaining a lock from combat, but saying ECM can't be managed in a fight is absolutely wrong.



You're right, the falcon only counters 97% of ships, not EVERY one. And no, it can't be managed without that particular ship and that particular setup. Better have the sentries out and not the hammerheads (or whatever).

Saying that I should have a specific ship, with a specific drone is hardly a reasonable response. Add the fact that my drones stick to current target, and I can't tell them to switch without locking a target (yes, i could have put them on the Falcon if i reacted fast enough) makes your argument even weaker.

It's particularly irritating when he simply logs on the falcon; his alt was not in local.

You don't see the obvious shenanigans involved in this situation? ECM is not cool man, it's not cool. All other ewar (including neuts) are far cooler / more reasonable than ECM.

Alas, the threads are full of "DEAL WITH IT" instead of discussing any sort of true... balance, for lack of a better word.


Any ship with a MJD can also elude the Falcon, even if you're pointed. You're still wrong about mitigating ECM, even if you (mostly) understand drone mechanics. If your sentries kept shooting their primary target despite you being jammed, as you described in the OP, how exactly would you have died to a solo Falcon? When he was the only one left aggressing you, what would happen to him if he'd stayed on field?

Falcons are PAPER THIN. Put an alt on the field too, but make it a DPS alt. The Falcon isn't an "I win!" button. Sorry.

He who trolls trolls best when he who is trolled trolls the troller. -Darth Gustav's Axiom
RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#30 - 2013-07-14 21:46:18 UTC
Friends are Overpowered. Nerf Friends.

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon
Frostys Virpio
State War Academy
Caldari State
#31 - 2013-07-14 22:40:49 UTC
RubyPorto wrote:
Friends are Overpowered. Nerf Friends.


What if I use associates and not friend? Am I protected from the nerfbat?
Logical Chaos
Very Italian People
The Initiative.
#32 - 2013-07-14 22:54:42 UTC
Jasmine Assasin wrote:
Anybody that plays EVE solo and expects to win should be running missions (!)

Bear


I thought missions got buffed to OMFGSUPERHARDMODE because of the new AI.

To answer OPs question: Not nearly as many Falcons around now as there will be after the Offgrid T3 Boosting Nerf EvilTwisted
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#33 - 2013-07-14 22:57:47 UTC
I have a Falcon main, does that count?
Frostys Virpio
State War Academy
Caldari State
#34 - 2013-07-14 22:59:20 UTC
Tippia wrote:
I have a Falcon main, does that count?


Only if you use dps alts.
Little Dragon Khamez
Guardians of the Underworld
#35 - 2013-07-14 23:22:12 UTC
I like ewar I think it should be buffed, its an under used resource, plus there are counters to it and skills you can learn to buff your sensor strength. Disruption cruisers exist to ruin your day, the falcon it seems did just that.

Dumbing down of Eve Online will result in it's destruction...
Nyancat Audeles
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#36 - 2013-07-15 03:24:52 UTC
Phaade wrote:
Darth Gustav wrote:
Phaade wrote:
Lately, I've been noticing a lot of what I consider to be not only pathetic, but just plain broken.

All forms of ewar, aside from ECM, are simple debuffs to certain aspects of your ship, and can usually be managed in a fight. ECM can not.

I am 50% into the structure of my target and his pal whilst soloing, and he lands his jackass falcon alt. Yay, perma jammed, fights over, I literally can do nothing but watch my ship blow up.

Anyone else see a problem with this? There are plenty of things that Ewar should do aside from break your lock, which is essentially a 20 second and spammable "stun."

Makes Soloing in PvP a lot less fun.


I don't see a problem here at all.

If you had been in a drone boat using sentry drones the Falcon would have been:

a) Useless
b) Dead, if he didn't bail out in a timely fashion.

ECM stops vessels that rely on maintaining a lock from combat, but saying ECM can't be managed in a fight is absolutely wrong.



You're right, the falcon only counters 97% of ships, not EVERY one. And no, it can't be managed without that particular ship and that particular setup. Better have the sentries out and not the hammerheads (or whatever).

Saying that I should have a specific ship, with a specific drone is hardly a reasonable response. Add the fact that my drones stick to current target, and I can't tell them to switch without locking a target (yes, i could have put them on the Falcon if i reacted fast enough) makes your argument even weaker.

It's particularly irritating when he simply logs on the falcon; his alt was not in local.

You don't see the obvious shenanigans involved in this situation? ECM is not cool man, it's not cool. All other ewar (including neuts) are far cooler / more reasonable than ECM.

Alas, the threads are full of "DEAL WITH IT" instead of discussing any sort of true... balance, for lack of a better word.


This. Also, don't bother with even trying to discuss with the person you are replying to- they probably have Falcon alts for themselves.
Diesel47
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#37 - 2013-07-15 03:51:45 UTC
ECM is too strong. Everybody knows it.

The ones who defend it are noobs that can't win without falcon alts.
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#38 - 2013-07-15 03:54:48 UTC
Frostys Virpio wrote:
Tippia wrote:
I have a Falcon main, does that count?

Only if you use dps alts.

Masterstroke, right there. On the EVEO General Discussion forums.

I was there.

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
Frostys Virpio
State War Academy
Caldari State
#39 - 2013-07-15 04:01:01 UTC
Alavaria Fera wrote:
Frostys Virpio wrote:
Tippia wrote:
I have a Falcon main, does that count?

Only if you use dps alts.

Masterstroke, right there. On the EVEO General Discussion forums.

I was there.


It was bad and you should feel bad for even pretending it was good.
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#40 - 2013-07-15 04:05:21 UTC
Frostys Virpio wrote:
Alavaria Fera wrote:
Frostys Virpio wrote:
Tippia wrote:
I have a Falcon main, does that count?

Only if you use dps alts.

Masterstroke, right there. On the EVEO General Discussion forums.

I was there.

It was bad and you should feel bad for even pretending it was good.

I actually thought it was a thought-provoking comment that led one to ponder the meaning of "main" and "alt" in a world with isboxer and the like.

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?