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The Infested Rogue Drone Regions: Theroies and Lore
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Omnathious Deninard
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#1 - 2013-06-03 23:36:40 UTC  |  Edited by: Omnathious Deninard
After reading the Code Aria Inquiry and studying the behavior of rogue drones in there environment, I am curious as to whether of not any other information regarding the Rogue Drones exists to the availability of Capsuleers.

I have began to develop theories as to what went wrong with the Orphyx Program during the initial Spectrum Breach.

If you don't follow the rules, neither will I.
dirtydebbs
the wreking crew
#2 - 2013-06-04 08:21:16 UTC
i also have a lot of interest in the rouge drones but there is one thing that i find har to trace as there sems to be a few roads you can go down with the theorising,

the project that the gallante did that went awol i think is diffrent to the rouge drones that we tend to see, or is misguiding
reading throug the lore the original propeulsion systems used to run off a unstable fuel named isogen-5 that were controlled by mega corportions in the home land, and the drones we read about in the chronicals are activly collecting it, so could the original settlers of eve might have brought there own drones to collect the isogen-5 for there corporations? and becouse of its reraty or the way the fuel was controled by these corporation they coudl have programmed them to be protective aswel, hence the attacks to all hostiles in there sites?

the other theory is did the jove and also the settlers make these drones to mine this fuel but then the fall of the eve gate then stopped the progression or the fact that 90% of eve settlers lost the tech and the 10% moved on from using this? and writing this made me think wether the sleepers who structures sound similer to the original jove who travedl through the gate just before it collapsed who then helped the jove in constructing there space coudl have also set out there own drones to collect this fuel? but some how traveld on and passed into wher ethey are today but as drones remake fix and just constantly do this mundane task that is how there was so much stock of isogen-5 in k-space as thye could not deliver this fuel?

the other theory is we have soem drones who are doign the fuel collecting from old times stil but! some how the gallante had found some drones then used that tech and tryd to encorporate it into there own drones but with a slightly modifyd protocal wich then made then go AWOL so we coudl have 2 diffrent types of drones but how to find if this is true or how to diffrentiate bettwne them im not sureWhat?

the drone lands coudl be where the gallante type of drone dissapread to as they mine ores mabye for reproduction as such ?
Uriel Paradisi Anteovnuecci
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#3 - 2013-06-04 12:53:58 UTC
Strangely enough, many rogue drone structures closely resemble the Jovian station.

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dirtydebbs
the wreking crew
#4 - 2013-06-06 07:21:03 UTC  |  Edited by: dirtydebbs
oh i hadnt noticed that il hae to have a gander Smile




http://interstellarprivateer.files.wordpress.com/2011/02/rogue-drone-jovian-construct.jpg

oh there does seem to be a good resemblance.... might have to go and look at the drones sites and compare some other types
Omnathious Deninard
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#5 - 2013-06-09 08:29:43 UTC
I have a hard time wrapping my head around the idea that the rogue drones are of Jovian decent as the drone regions are strangely void of relics older than the Spectrum Breach.

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dirtydebbs
the wreking crew
#6 - 2013-06-11 07:54:42 UTC
yes i agree wich leads me to the gallantte rouge types are they the ones who roam dorne reagions?

looking back in eve time roge drones have been presant for about 9 years that we know of?

2008 code aria inquiary
2006 the drone regions were opend (orphix project was 20 years before this)
2004 rouge drones were leeked from concord that they knew about these hives,


interesting thought as when i first looked into this i didnt see the 20 years previous statment..

i think ill have to look deaper into this as ther emight be a possibility that the original rouge drones might have found anciant tech and had found jove stations ect maybe even got information about them,

the iosgen-5 thought im split on it as
a) maybe they found a way to transport them selves with the new tech that they had found in anciant derelik out posts that then use dto use isogen-5 engines and started to mass collect them ?

or looking into the chronicals The Society of Conscious Thought had managed to re programm the drones to help the blood raiders to get the bs containign the super weapon how have they managed to obtain this? were they involved some how with the oprhix project going rouge or the drone reagion massacre?
or maybe the gallantte had found remenants of drones used to collect this hightly unstabel fuel of the anciant times and using ther etechnology revers engineered it but adde dits own protocals which might have leeaded to confusion hence the attacks and escapeing ?
Omnathious Deninard
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#7 - 2013-06-16 10:42:02 UTC
I believe that there might be a controlling force still in place.
Theorize this, a pirate group who finds out that the Gallente are working on a new advanced drone AI system sneaks a spy or two into the R&D team and gives them orders to steal the drone by utilizing a prototype implant to control the drone.
The pirate spy successfully hides a protocol to allow for remote interaction with the drone via the implant but is unaware as to how advanced the AI system is.
Once deployed the drone is operating within normal conditions, but the R&D engineers notice a problem with the drone. Fearful that the spy had been discovered they panic and for that brief moment the drone receives the subconscious though of the spy and destroys all the ships in the area.
Due to a weakened state of mind and an advanced AI system the spy's synaptic functions are nearly destroyed outputting only basic survival commands for now.

Current behavior.
The host has regained more of its synaptic functions but is no longer I control of its own will and has become the broadcast center of the hive mind.
The drones have become more aggressive due to CONCORD giving bounties out to those who destroy the drones. This has made the host fearful that they are close to being caught and has such created the 4 officer drones that now roam around.

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dirtydebbs
the wreking crew
#8 - 2013-06-17 12:21:23 UTC
yes I do believe that there is some type of controlling force in place on some of them, looking back at the sister sof eve and the blood raider chronicle where a unknown entity giving the blood raiders a protocol to turn the drones numb to them, society of conscious thought was mentioned but not out right told it was them, and as that faction its routes not so old but its upbringing from the jove they could still have a sect within that has knowledge of such things.

the spy theory could possibly be also true the chronicle about the two scientist who's R&D was funded by cal and gal along with a few others clearly mentions researching advanced drone AI systems and that ottro had stolen it when he departed along with other bpos, reading temper one and the first book speaks and explains in detail the drones that protect and produces the insorium and the characteristics and how they sound speaks volumes of them being pretty identical to rouge drones we see in new eden,

one of the epic arks you have to collect some stem cells or brain tissue for a rouge drone and this lead me to think that some of the rouge drones are actually bios mechanical creatures and the reason why they main prototypes failed and went rouge was the fact maybe when they were turned on the conflict of a humans brain coupled with a drone could have caused so much confusion and anger also not knowing there own strengths to do what they did and basic human thought is breath feed fight or flight and reproduce,

the chronicle of the drone where it seems to only be looking for female technician's and trying to re birth ( having a mega mind blank today with names of stuff :( ) mad eme think that the rouge drone's were made mechanical but was intertwined with a human brain maybe even a cloned brain or taken from deceased or fugitives and maybe wiped thinking they could train the brain like a baby, but because the brain has set survival mode even from birth that's why they were uncontrollable?

the more aggressive and the officer drones im not sure how that fits into lore as I think that was just a game mechanic to put them in par with all other pirate factions when they nerfed them and removed the drone poo, but if that is the case most officer pirates have got some story behind them and it would be nice to have something of these new officers
dirtydebbs
the wreking crew
#9 - 2013-06-20 09:58:07 UTC  |  Edited by: dirtydebbs
been researching a bit more and come across something weird that i hadn't noticed before,

I started to look into locations of drones then at how they operate trying to differentiate between old school rouge drones and maybe new designed drones, off the top of my head all known drone pockets we find in eve are normally situated near a hive and seem to be collecting or salvaging, hives are normally found to be made of structures i.e. ships space stations etc. and its written down that sometimes these behemoth structures can break up then drift off into space sometimes appearing in systems where high traffic is, reason why concord wanted to eliminate them in the first place,

drone lands are very much different they are mining from belts or deep space pockets, apart from the anomaly's which I need to look into further as why are there golden stations that look like amarr design there and other things but ill get back to you on that one,

need to start from the start really or ill get lost or go off on a tangent,

earth beings used isogen-5 to fuel there space ships, they were tightly controlled by the mega corporations of the time,
Isogen-5 is an exceedingly rare, extremely unstable variant of isogen found only in blue bright star (Type O1) systems,

today we use robots to do jobs that are dangerous to human life, its very possible that the mega corporations could have done the same to collect and to protect the isogen-5 deposits could be why they are so hostile to anyone, but as all things mechanical and robotic they have protocols so they could have recognition markers built in to either ignore certain ships people or safe words to shut them down or turn them off ( which we already know of something similar happening with the super weapon and the reason why wh exists today )

the original jove and the architects arrived through the eve gate just before it collapsed, the wh was held open for many years but also its mentioned ( just need to find the reference now lost it >< ) that there had been people in new Eden years before the wh was found, could it possibly that new eden was found but was way out side the realms of suitable transportation? or that maybe wh producing equipment was in the build? so the mega corporations had sent forth drones to mass collect the isogen-5 and once they open a wh they can then collect it?

or maybe this idea the was the eve gate its self fuelled by isogen-5?

or maybe this thought the jove who arrived to make the first jump gate for a jove settlement had arrived only half full of fuel and had to go into deep cryo to get to there destination, out of everyone in new eden at the time they had the ships the knowledge to survive and pick them selves up there ships were fuled by isogen-5 they had already been to new eden and had probably mapped out where everything was so they produced drones to farm isogen-5 for them, but as the architects started to control them maybe they also stopped them from acquiring vast majority of the isogen-5 stock piles, or before they had chance to reterve them they had developed ship propulsion that didn't need it.

now these ideas im slightly torn on for a few reasons if the jove no longer needed isogen-5 why didn't they stop the drones? or was this when there dark age happened and doing that was probably the last thing on there mind,

the other idea is that the eve wh was a normal wh but we then controlled it buy the use of the eve gate to hold it open, maybe the architects and the jove or maybe wh creation was already invented in the old world, and when they eve gate collapsed for what ever reason they figured out that isogen-5 could be the key to open a new wh to get home?

due to the gallants love of drones I still belve that the creations they made were probably revers engineered or found rouge drones and tryd to copy it or put there own protocols into it AI,

I was very confused at looking back at location's why has concords map of new eden look so different to ours??

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q62Wk3xWH8g look at 0:34 secs into it and pause

http://homepage.ntlworld.com/kensavage/rodge/eve_online_map.JPG look at this naw compare them

the whole map is rotated 90degree to the lefet aswel
dirtydebbs
the wreking crew
#10 - 2013-07-01 13:20:31 UTC
the one thing that makes me wonder so much is how much interaction there is between the rouge drones,

apparently the society of conscious thought or at least the area where they live is mentioned, when it came to reprogramming the rouge drones protecting the super weapon making them dorsile or it kind of reminded me of bees and smoke when reading it,

the society is mentioned a lot when it comes to eve back story and going forward with it, ( im trying not to loose track with the op but im also trying to tie things together so bear with me lol )

the society was originally set up by joves to understand the meaning of life things got out of hand and they tried to muscle in on politics it worked for a bit then got busted it also kind of went a bit rouge or underground and it splintered off into what's called Kitz's, what saying that the technology or the understanding of how things worked wasn't kept a secret within the society ?

there's a chronicle about the book of emptiness where a kitz are made up of killers who will do anything to get the book, maybe there is a kitz who has knowledge of things we do not know ? like about rouge drones? the secret craft that re opend the drone lands was that a drone of one of the orphix project or was it the society?

Marianne Pollard
Doomheim
#11 - 2013-07-04 11:40:59 UTC
Isn't it obvious the Gallente are responsible? Even the Alvus Rulers are shaped exactly like one of their inferior, cumbersome space sharts.

Mocking the afflicted since 2013.
Velarra
#12 - 2013-07-14 18:06:57 UTC
You want to take a look at the story featured in "The Anomaly" if you have an interest in drones.
It's both an L3 & L4 mission. Each are slightly different, yet the L4 does have some curious drone related content.

Can't find it? Try agents within Caldari or Amarr/Amarr aligned space.