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Can you respond to a wardec within 24 hours and evac everything without getting ganked? That's what you are facing. You may not get a chance to unanchor anything if your aggressors are standing-by waiting to scoop stuff.


We just got through another wardec (ended 2013.07.13). I started preparing the defense about 7 minutes after the wardec (EVEmon notification caught my attention just before I was going to bed). I also took a day off from work.

It took roughly 6 hours straight to prepare an initial POS defense (I didn't get much sleep); even if you plan ahead, when the time comes you will realize you forgot something. After that it was several hours of preparing ships and such for war, setting-up a temporary base for war operations, making dock / undock / perch bookmarks, and doing research on our opponents.

I'm paranoid, so I always take any wardec seriously. I offlined all but two active labs (three large POSes), as they had research that wasn't mine. Probably about 1b-2b lost in copies. Luckily I didn't have any active manufacturing at the POSes, or that would have been a much worse situation. Station system too.

We learned some lessons along the way too, which was worth the pain and annoyance.

Well I guess I might of not given enough information I am thinking of the pos in high sec and will likely completely tear down the tower in a war dec so I am wondering besides the ofc suicide gank back to station with a BPO in cargo do I like lose my BPO or my materials if I cancel a job after a war dec? So say if I get war dec and I cancel all my work on the POS get a ship pick up all the stuff including tower before 24hr is up I don't like lose my blueprint or materials right? Basically when I read the researching / pos guides they are acting like a POS without an office is like the candy-land of ISK and I am wondering if this is still such if I remove the POS.

Also if their is a npc station in system and I get war dec can I hire an office one time to get the BPO if the above doesn't work?

Stop being cheap and get a frickin Office in a 0.5-0.7 sec system.

It's easier if you do not look close to Jita.

Also you realize your standings and pain of anchoring and setting up poses constantly. **** star it and make them realize if they want to kill it they need 100 dudes or 12 hours.


Also make sure to stront the tower so they have to come back should they reinforce it

Like I said: Get away from The Forge and you'll find plenty of POS locations.

Well thank you I got my original question answered, however now I am curious is the likely-hood of finding a free Caldari moon slim? Because I don't want to get 5-7.0 with Caldari State then need to go get Amarr or something to 5-7. ( Which shouldn't be to bad I guess since they like each other )

Well I just want to plan it out I am most likely going to wait around 6-8 months for POS but in that time I would like to get the faction to set up a POS as soon as all my anchor/research skills etc are ready, and I would hate to farm say Caldari State and then end up not being able to find an empty moon but I heard systems without stations have plenty of extra moons which led to my first question about saving BPO's before war dec is in effect.

Yes if you are an active player you can cancel the jobs, evac, and pull down the pos within the 24 hour window. But that is easy to say, not so easy to actually do.

See the problem lies in not just evac time, but the fact that they know any BPO's you are researching will be in the POS arrays. this makes your POS a loot pinata. This will result in you getting war decced far more often. Not to mention that many would be attackers will watch you for weeks before actually deccing you. they will find out who the main characters are associated with the corp that owns the POS, they will add them to watch lists, they will learn your play schedule. When they do declare war on you it will be at a time that puts as much of that 24 hr window as possible in your down time when you are not logged in. For example, by adding you to their contacts watch list, they will wait until you log off for the night and then war dec you. if your shcedule does not allow you to log in in the morning before work or school you could come home to a very small window before the war goes live. this is not about making isk, some player enjoy the challenge of these tactics and are very good at it.

The other big issue is that when you cancel a research job any research time gone into it is lost. for example, say you have a very valuable BPO in for ME research that requires over 30 days for a single ME point. say you get a war dec two days before the research is done. you cancel the job you just lost a month worth of research on that BPO. What if you have several labs full of similar BPO's which you will if you plan to make a profit off your POS. cancelling those research jobs could cost you 12 months or more worth of research. Say you go ahead and cancel them, only to have your pos not even get attacked. This is a massive waste.

By having a station office you are not just protecting your BPO's but your time investment. A POS belonging to a corp with a station office in the same system is not a appealing target, you will not get many war decs. If you do get war decced you can leave the POS up with out risking much. Even if you offline the labs to online defenses you will not lose time invested into research, it will continue when the lab is online again. Make your POS a long PITA to bash and it will get left alone. Even if you do leave research running, and the POS does get destroyed, all your valuable BPO's are safe in the station hanger. you lose nothing but the value of the POS tower and modules lost. this could be peanuts compared to the value of the BPO's.

A station office may be expensive in many systems, but it provides you with a massive amount of security. POSes linked to station hangers are very rarely targeted, or war deced to begin with, and if you are war decced,the majority of your assets are safe. It is not a matter of how long it takes you to evac, but but preventing your POS from becoming a target in the first place.

If you still want to take the risk, look at your schedule and ask yourself, is there any point in the week where I might go 24 hours or more without logging in? How regular may that happen? If there is any point in your schedule where there is a 20 hour window you are not logged in? Say you log of Wednesday night at 11pm, you do not log back in until Thursday at 7 PM, that is 20 hours, is that your normal daily schedule? What are the chances of missing a night putting you over 24 hours? Are you on line every single day without ever having a 24 hour break? If you ever have a 24 hour window of inactivity, that is when the war dec will come. Are you willing to take that risk with billions of of isk in BPO's? Station office fees are not so bad now are they?

Taking down a small POS is easy if you have enough accounts to really make use of a private POS. Find a system with an affordable station rental and clear a small or medium dead POS from one of its moons. Or bit the bullet and pay millions per month for your office. there are many systems with office rentals well under 1 million isk, some as low as 10,000 isk, you just have to clear a moon of a dead pos to take advantage of it. Many dead POSes belong to dead or inactive corps, do not fear war deccing one of them to claim a moon.

Alot of people will setup a tower the size they need now(mediums generally) and then anchor 2 larges in the same system for later use. Once its anchored you dont need the standings to online it

I wouldn't bother with the hardeners, or any defence on a small tower.

Small towers are just not defensible in any manner, so don't bother trying to. If you do, you are just adding treasure to the Piñata.