EVE General Discussion

I been playing 4 1/2 years. Never kiiled a ship yet.....

I gave up even trying 3 1/2 years ago. Got tired of not knowing what to do, being ridiculed.

Tried to join EVE University but they wouldn't take my Main. They figured a 4 year old was simply up to no good. But I realized EVE U is a bunch of anal jerks anyway...

Now I simply find other things to do. Still have fun though just trading, playing the market, but I'd luv to be able to PVP...

Yeah very true. Certainly is a catch 22. I still strongly believe that the best solution suggested so far was the idea of scaling gategun damage. By doing this, it would reduce gatecamps and effectively give highsec players the possiblity of getting a foot in the door of lowsec, so to speak, without immediately being face-raped. This in addition to increased lowsec resource levels, would go a long way to persuading carebears to take the risk for the additional rewards. More potential profits for carebears risking lowsec, and more potential targets for pirates. More importantly, more carebears becoming not carebears. It would be an epic win!

Of course, the moment this awesome idea was floated, the pirates jumped on it and wet themselves. The idea of not being able to kill their targets as they lemming single file through a gate was completely unacceptable to them. I mean, can you imagine, them having to actually scan down their targets and hunt them in system? I know, right?

So, lowsec remains a wasteland, and the pirates continue to get their defenceless kills in highsec.

JTZ was implemented because world+dog was using bookmarks to achieve the same result. Traveling more than a few jumps very regularly was pretty soul-crushing (think ice mining), so everybody used them. The enormous amount of bookmarks players accumulated could hang or lag nodes when simply copied. Players copied these a lot because you could sell them for decent iskies.

2 bookmarks per gate, per system, per region, and wrangling all those without the bookmark management/organization tools we have now. I had a set for every region, as that was pretty common and the style of the day.

So, not because of whining about gate camps.

/lawn, get off it.

So the only people on the risk side of the equation in hisec leave and that...somehow provides more incentive for those avoiding risk to leave hisec...what.....

Rebuttal: You are the sheep I was referring to. The funny thing about sheep is that they bleet rather loudly. When they come on the forums they are nasty, with sharp insults for all who dare stand in the way of their "Epic quest" and uber ship of death. Yet in game they quake at the smallest risk and grind it out in interminable boredom. Sometimes, few times, I feel sorry for them.

The sheep flock to games like Eve was in the first years and try to turn them into WOW.
The sheep call the pvpers "murderer wannabes" and "psychotic" and so on. They have lost all perspective.
I have no problem killing sheep because they are beneath my notice and mutton tastes yummy when its cooked right.
Sheep are good for one thing. Consuming.
The players I speak of are just sheep. Run of the mill, boring sheep.

There is one clear reason why people in Eve cant do PvP. The simple reason is because they believe they can't. Once you have made up your mind that something can't be done, you will not be able to do it. You will then be in the grip of the self-fulfilling prophecy. Because you dont think it can be done you wont do your best, you will hold back at critical junctures, hesitate at the important moment or pull back when you should press the attack.

I founded Agony Unleashed with my alt Keersom (RIP) in .. was it 2006? Time flies. For years I captained the corp before turning it over to Bamar who has now passed it on to Gizznitt. During that time we proved conclusively that conventional wisdom was what comes out of the south end of a northbound male bovine. I originally founded Agony because I was sick of being told to get in a big battleship (at the time they were the flavor of the year) and sit at 150km sniping at opponents. I thought that there was a better way to play the game, that frigs could be made to hurt the opponent.

I believe agony was a principal player in changing pvp in eve to make people think more out of the box. We took out classes of people who had never fired at another player. We put them in tech 1 frigs fitted with market cheap stuff and proved to them that if they coordinated their communication, their tactics and their fit, they could destroy opponents with years of skillpoints in massively expensive ships. People constantly tried to use smartbombs on the frig fleets and lost their expensive battleship for their efforts. We flew into null sec space with crowds of rookies and fleets learned to avoid the class gangs. In the process we taught playyers about communication, scouting, recon, ship fitting for teamwork and so on.

At one point a class was started to fly destroyers. The forums flamed like a supernova at the announcement. In the first encounter with an eagle, the covert ops scout dropped us 10km off the eagle and only 3 of my guns went off. The 20 destroyers in the gang, flown by newbie pilots, vaporized the expensive HAC in a single shot. Later the class grew and at one point the 30 destroyer class (near the max manageable limit) got into a fight with multiple battleships and HACs and destroyed them all. Sure they took casualties but all were elated. We remembered to tell the rookie pvp pilots to breathe afterward because we knew the people behind the computers would be shaking from adrenaline.

Later agony pilots fitted up some tech 1 frigs and had a bit of fun. They sat off a gate and waited to be attacked by a passing interceptor. What the interceptor didn't know is the pilot of the frig was waiting for just this occurrence. There is no rush in eve quite equal to killing an interceptor with a tech 1 frig and any pilot that can fit tech 2 weapons can do it with the right skills and tactics.

We were a small corp and often confronted with largely superior forces. Imagine the massive gate camps with tackler interceptors, interdictors and other ships. Now imagine they are rendered importent by a gang of 15 destroyers with long range weapons. All of their smal craft must flee or die. Tactics prevail.

And the ultimate in possibilites occurred when agony discovered whenever they went out Razor alliance would come after them with 60 HACs. With no more than 20 people online at the time, it was quite the challenge. Imagine the astonishment of our neighbors when the word went out that Agony wiped out almost the entire fleet with less than 20 pilots. Nothing in gaming can top that kind of rush.

When you say you can, when you believe it, you will find a way. When your opponent becomes predictable, they are easy to defeat. When your opponent uses standard tactics, they can be defeated. Defeat wont always be wiping out the whole fleet or destroyeing their POS. It might be just making their lives miserable. When a high sec corp is war deced by another and turns tail, the war dec corps wins. When they fight back with tactics, skill, coordination and goals, they make the war dec corp withdraw their dec with losses and the high sec corp gains respect.

I have no respect for sheep. But i have the highest respect for the small little wolverine that makes the grizly bear think "im not THAT hungry"

In there lies the key. Winning in Eve isnt a matter of skill points or isk. Its a matter of intelligence, understanding of psychology and proficiency at the arts of war.

In PvP you might lose that pimped out ship to a guy in a T1 frigate, within seconds. It SEEMS broken compared to PvE. The gulf between the two is enormous. Often dying and not even knowing how feeds rage posters.

The one thing PvE'ers care about is the one thing lost so easily in PvP. The ship.

There's not enough tl;dr in the universe to allow me to adequately express my reaction to this post.

The only one "bleating" here is you. I mean, really - who are you trying to convince?