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Wu Phat
InsufficientFunds LLC.
#1 - 2011-11-09 17:50:45 UTC
Is null sec local chat going to become like W - space or has that been taken off the table for this expansion or altogether.

Dev response Plz
Kahz Niverrah
Distinguished Johnsons
#2 - 2011-11-09 17:52:02 UTC
Wu Phat wrote:
Is null sec local chat going to become like W - space or has that been taken off the table for this expansion or altogether.

Dev response Plz

It was on the table to begin with?

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Satav
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#3 - 2011-11-09 17:54:09 UTC
Wu Phat wrote:
Is null sec local chat going to become like W - space or has that been taken off the table for this expansion or altogether.

Dev response Plz


Hmm, not sure.

But i think it wasn't a clear cut like W , and they were only talking about cloaking those in local that were cloaked and all of local only to those that were cloaked. I may be wrong on this.

Bump. curious for answer as well.

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Wu Phat
InsufficientFunds LLC.
#4 - 2011-11-09 17:56:27 UTC
Kahz Niverrah wrote:
Wu Phat wrote:
Is null sec local chat going to become like W - space or has that been taken off the table for this expansion or altogether.

Dev response Plz

It was on the table to begin with?



There was a thread on old forums about how to put this into play.
Kahz Niverrah
Distinguished Johnsons
#5 - 2011-11-09 17:57:16 UTC
Wu Phat wrote:
There was a thread on old forums about how to put this into play.

Ah. Got link?

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Ladie Harlot
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#6 - 2011-11-09 17:58:57 UTC
Kahz Niverrah wrote:
Wu Phat wrote:
Is null sec local chat going to become like W - space or has that been taken off the table for this expansion or altogether.

Dev response Plz

It was on the table to begin with?

Not really. A bunch of "small gang PvP" fetishists have this fantasy of local going away but the only thing CCP has said is that they would like to replace it with a different way to gather intel but it's never going to be like w-space.

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Kahz Niverrah
Distinguished Johnsons
#7 - 2011-11-09 18:01:28 UTC  |  Edited by: Kahz Niverrah
Ladie Harlot wrote:
...CCP has said is that they would like to replace it with a different way to gather intel...

That would be cool. Local has always felt a little too "meta" for me. Something like a 360 degree, infinite range d-scan for pilots uncloaked in space would be interesting. I don't know. It's a tricky problem.

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Wu Phat
InsufficientFunds LLC.
#8 - 2011-11-09 18:02:58 UTC
I seem to can't get to the old forums can we get help with a link
The Offerer
Doomheim
#9 - 2011-11-09 18:03:30 UTC
Wu Phat wrote:
Is null sec local chat going to become like W - space or has that been taken off the table for this expansion or altogether.

Dev response Plz

If you like W-space local, go to W-space.
If you like 0.0 local, go to 0.0

It's that simple.

And, please, find a fresh idea to troll about. This is getting very old.
Skippermonkey
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#10 - 2011-11-09 18:11:39 UTC
remove local, explode botters

in that order

COME AT ME BRO

I'LL JUST BE DOCKED IN THIS STATION
Wu Phat
InsufficientFunds LLC.
#11 - 2011-11-09 18:12:50 UTC
The Offerer wrote:
Wu Phat wrote:
Is null sec local chat going to become like W - space or has that been taken off the table for this expansion or altogether.

Dev response Plz

If you like W-space local, go to W-space.
If you like 0.0 local, go to 0.0

It's that simple.

And, please, find a fresh idea to troll about. This is getting very old.



Will if local changes this makes bots vulnerable. Their primary defence is gone. Will this stop them no just helps regulate them with out developer influence (banning of accounts). A good step in that direction.
Ladie Harlot
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#12 - 2011-11-09 18:12:53 UTC
Kahz Niverrah wrote:
Ladie Harlot wrote:
...CCP has said is that they would like to replace it with a different way to gather intel...

That would be cool. Local has always felt a little too "meta" for me. Something like a 360 degree, infinite range d-scan for pilots uncloaked in space would be interesting. I don't know. It's a tricky problem.

I agree but they have been very clear that nullsec isn't going to be like w-space which is a huge disappointment to some members of the ~elite PvP~ community.

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Stan Smith
State War Academy
Caldari State
#13 - 2011-11-09 18:18:12 UTC
Skippermonkey wrote:
remove local, explode botters

in that order


right, since there's no way the feds (concord) can track pilots are in what system after using the stargate. this is important to them as they can track where the big wars are and coordinate relief efforts with dislocated people on planets and stations. and yes, i just used up my allocated roleplaying explanation for the day

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Ushra'Khan
#14 - 2011-11-09 18:18:28 UTC
If cloaked ships vanished from local, I'd be perfectly fine with leaving it there.
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Razin
The Scope
#15 - 2011-11-09 18:21:46 UTC  |  Edited by: Razin
Here's the last post by CCP Greyscale on the subject of Local and how it relates to the subject of intel:

CCP Greyscale wrote:
Razin wrote:
CCP Greyscale wrote:
You guys all saw the post where I said we'd likely deal with local before addressing the rest of this stuff, right?

Thing is most of us here had more or less the same impression from your previous post on this subject, that being that you weren’t too concerned with local as an immediate problem that stands in the way of your 0.0 intel plans. Even in this clarification you don’t say you will deal with local, but only that you’d likely deal with it. I think you can see why you are getting this kind of reaction.

As Mag’s says above, players consider immediate local a much larger issue than you seem to, the one that has absolute influence on intel collection. Anything that happens to intel after collection is secondary, and should probably be the function of the tool that replaces the current local anyway.

Additionally, strategic intel analysis and sharing is currently done by web-based player-made tools, and arguably this is the best way to do it since you can’t have that kind of customizability in-game.

What we're trying to do right now is develop a long-term roadmap, and the reason we're talking to players a lot is that we want to be sure you're all on board with what we're planning. The reason I'm not worried about local in this context is that it's a no-brainer that we need to do something, and "doing something about local" is assumed to have the support of the community provided it's something good. What we're more concerned about right now is what our next step should be after that, because we don't want "change local" to be the only thing about intel on our long-term plan.


Would be nice to have an update.
Cyniac
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#16 - 2011-11-09 18:26:36 UTC
Stan Smith wrote:
Skippermonkey wrote:
remove local, explode botters

in that order


right, since there's no way the feds (concord) can track pilots are in what system after using the stargate. this is important to them as they can track where the big wars are and coordinate relief efforts with dislocated people on planets and stations. and yes, i just used up my allocated roleplaying explanation for the day


I don't always use a stargate to enter a system...

From a RP perspective a fleet which enters the system through a WH or through a black ops bridge (normal cyno's should be easy to monitor given the huge beacon they generate) it would make RP sense to keep those pilots "off" the feds tracking system (i.e. local)
Apollo Gabriel
Kill'em all. Let Bob sort'em out.
Ushra'Khan
#17 - 2011-11-09 18:27:26 UTC
Razin wrote:
Here's the last post by CCP Greyscale on the subject of Local and how it relates to the subject of intel:

CCP Greyscale wrote:
Razin wrote:
CCP Greyscale wrote:
You guys all saw the post where I said we'd likely deal with local before addressing the rest of this stuff, right?

Thing is most of us here had more or less the same impression from your previous post on this subject, that being that you weren’t too concerned with local as an immediate problem that stands in the way of your 0.0 intel plans. Even in this clarification you don’t say you will deal with local, but only that you’d likely deal with it. I think you can see why you are getting this kind of reaction.

As Mag’s says above, players consider immediate local a much larger issue than you seem to, the one that has absolute influence on intel collection. Anything that happens to intel after collection is secondary, and should probably be the function of the tool that replaces the current local anyway.

Additionally, strategic intel analysis and sharing is currently done by web-based player-made tools, and arguably this is the best way to do it since you can’t have that kind of customizability in-game.

What we're trying to do right now is develop a long-term roadmap, and the reason we're talking to players a lot is that we want to be sure you're all on board with what we're planning. The reason I'm not worried about local in this context is that it's a no-brainer that we need to do something, and "doing something about local" is assumed to have the support of the community provided it's something good. What we're more concerned about right now is what our next step should be after that, because we don't want "change local" to be the only thing about intel on our long-term plan.


Would be nice to have an update.


Agreed an update would be nice, I'd suspect that our daily blog release will give us something. ( I hope anyways.)
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Renan Ruivo
Forcas armadas
Brave Collective
#18 - 2011-11-09 18:29:55 UTC
Ladie Harlot wrote:
Kahz Niverrah wrote:
Wu Phat wrote:
Is null sec local chat going to become like W - space or has that been taken off the table for this expansion or altogether.

Dev response Plz

It was on the table to begin with?

Not really. A bunch of "small gang PvP" fetishists have this fantasy of local going away but the only thing CCP has said is that they would like to replace it with a different way to gather intel but it's never going to be like w-space.


This.. actually.

oh gawd i'm qft'ing a goon.

The world is a community of idiots doing a series of things until it explodes and we all die.
Ladie Harlot
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#19 - 2011-11-09 18:42:30 UTC
Renan Ruivo wrote:
Ladie Harlot wrote:
Kahz Niverrah wrote:
Wu Phat wrote:
Is null sec local chat going to become like W - space or has that been taken off the table for this expansion or altogether.

Dev response Plz

It was on the table to begin with?

Not really. A bunch of "small gang PvP" fetishists have this fantasy of local going away but the only thing CCP has said is that they would like to replace it with a different way to gather intel but it's never going to be like w-space.


This.. actually.

oh gawd i'm qft'ing a goon.

Feels good don't it

The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet.
Wu Phat
InsufficientFunds LLC.
#20 - 2011-11-09 19:21:52 UTC
Bump
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