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So high sec miners, expect to get screwed more
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Erutpar Ambient
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#101 - 2013-07-13 06:10:26 UTC
Red lensman wrote:
Perfect refining in high sec takes a massive amount of work I'm perfect refine in 8-12 corporations which took 2-3 years work so now have perfect refine in a massive number of systems so your now going to wash that all down the drain!!


IT doesn't all go down the drain. Either it means you have good rep with a bunch of corps for lots of benefits, OR you can still refine better than other people at those stations. Also if it took you 2-3 years of work... you're doing something wrong....
Thordin Cala
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#102 - 2013-07-13 19:46:00 UTC
Am I the only one who has looked at this and saw that this might just be CCP trying to curb a little bit of the PLEX inflation?

Give every refining process some waste, and that takes a large amount of isk out of the economy entirely. People are going to have slimmer wallets, and be willing to either buy more PLEX with RL money, or pay less for PLEX with isk. Either way PLEX prices in isk go down.

I'll freely admit that I'm a noob, and I may not be seeing everything correctly, but that's the way PLEX should balance out to.

It may in the long run just cause people to move away from mining and into missioning/incursioning to earn isk, but the lower supply of minerals from people mining less would make mineral prices rise.

Economies balance. Just like physics, every action has a reaction. This wouldn't end the world for hi-sec, it wouldn't make null/low any more advantageous. It would just be a change. A scary scary change apparently.
Tenchi Sal
White Knights of Equestria
#103 - 2013-07-13 21:43:05 UTC
Thordin Cala wrote:
Am I the only one who has looked at this and saw that this might just be CCP trying to curb a little bit of the PLEX inflation?

Give every refining process some waste, and that takes a large amount of isk out of the economy entirely. People are going to have slimmer wallets, and be willing to either buy more PLEX with RL money, or pay less for PLEX with isk. Either way PLEX prices in isk go down.

I'll freely admit that I'm a noob, and I may not be seeing everything correctly, but that's the way PLEX should balance out to.

It may in the long run just cause people to move away from mining and into missioning/incursioning to earn isk, but the lower supply of minerals from people mining less would make mineral prices rise.

Economies balance. Just like physics, every action has a reaction. This wouldn't end the world for hi-sec, it wouldn't make null/low any more advantageous. It would just be a change. A scary scary change apparently.


what? mining/refining doesn't introduce isk into the economy. this has nothing to do with inflation.
Alisarina
Zebra Corp
Goonswarm Federation
#104 - 2013-07-13 22:26:15 UTC
Thordin Cala wrote:
Am I the only one who has looked at this and saw that this might just be CCP trying to curb a little bit of the PLEX inflation?

Give every refining process some waste, and that takes a large amount of isk out of the economy entirely. People are going to have slimmer wallets, and be willing to either buy more PLEX with RL money, or pay less for PLEX with isk. Either way PLEX prices in isk go down.

I'll freely admit that I'm a noob, and I may not be seeing everything correctly, but that's the way PLEX should balance out to.

It may in the long run just cause people to move away from mining and into missioning/incursioning to earn isk, but the lower supply of minerals from people mining less would make mineral prices rise.

Economies balance. Just like physics, every action has a reaction. This wouldn't end the world for hi-sec, it wouldn't make null/low any more advantageous. It would just be a change. A scary scary change apparently.



This would indeed be true, ASSUMING WE PAID ISK FOR REFINING...which we don't, thus it's not true.

Refining is all about ore in -> minerals out with zero interaction with ISK generation. The isk you gain from selling the ore, the minerals or the finished product was introduced by some other source in game like missions or incursions like you mentioned in your post.

It will have no impact on PLEX prices, infact it may drive prices up asa people need more isk to buy the same amount of minerals due to miners passing on the change, eventually, of lost potential profits from refining onto the mineral market which then has a knock on effect through out the entire market related to minerals in some way. How long this would take to happen is a LONG time due to the amount of minerals present, assuming it has any impact at all or is noticeable above the usual ebb and flow of market prices.
Benteen
Atra Mortis Industries
#105 - 2013-07-20 12:17:01 UTC
Aliventi wrote:
I don't even know where to begin with this post...
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And really I don't understand why you would mine in highsec when you can make so much more isk out in 0.0. Also, 0.0 is safer than highsec. So it really is a win-win.


Actually I went into Null with over 300 mill and 6 ships of various types... I came out in a Condor with 100 isk...

You can make isk IF you're in a big alliance but in a smaller one that the big alliance give a pipeline system to... you're screwed.
Grand Admiral Simo-Hayha
Vigilante Carebears
#106 - 2013-07-20 15:02:30 UTC  |  Edited by: Grand Admiral Simo-Hayha
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And really I don't understand why you would mine in highsec when you can make so much more isk out in 0.0. Also, 0.0 is safer than highsec. So it really is a win-win.


Obviously you either haven't been in EvE long enough or you just never got around much.

The megacorperations run everyone out of null who isen't part of them or their subsidiary of their alliances.

This is a well known fact that not many ever mention it.