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Does the rattlesnake need a small buff?

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Daniel Plain
Doomheim
#21 - 2013-07-12 16:06:02 UTC
Ciyrine wrote:
Whats a passive shield tank fit look? And why is that so good compared to active tank which i assume probably has higher ehp in return for not being passive?

you assume wrong. if anything, the passively tanked ship has higher EHP becuse it may use LSEs. the fit is the same as a passive drake, CDPs, LSEs and SPRs (and resists, d'uuh).

I should buy an Ishtar.
Sal Landry
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#22 - 2013-07-12 16:30:28 UTC
Garviel Tarrant wrote:
**** off

My Rattler is awesome.

Your Rattler is ****.
Sergeant Acht Scultz
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#23 - 2013-07-12 16:46:56 UTC  |  Edited by: Sergeant Acht Scultz
Malcanis wrote:
CanI haveyourstuff wrote:


It should do 1800+ ish dps combined with drones.


1800 DPS at long range?

Why no, that wouldn't be overpowered at all. Why not take that up to a round 2000?



Well, Machariels and Vindicators can push this far without much pimp.

In fact I'd like to see that Rattlesnake bonus change to become more of a specialized heavy tank Cruise/Torp spewer with 75m3 drones bay, Gila is already the drones boat, we need a missiles spewer

Edit: by the way I can't remember when I saw guristas rats or Dread guristas ones dropping drones on my ships, even in 10/10

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Giullare
The Candyman is Back
#24 - 2013-07-12 20:03:32 UTC
ppl talking about passive tank...

Hello kitty online is that way --->

pvp in passive tanked bs (shield regen) is dumb.
pvp in buffer tank, make a wise choice... take a scorpion navy.

pve in passive rattle... u are giving away mobility and dps that come from low slot for no reason sinc eu can tank anything with a shield booster.
pve buffer tank rattle, LOL!

So i heard it had a sort of specialization in level 5 tanking years ago but i'm sure the vast majority of eve's community it's not running level 5 mission in low sec.

So rattlesnake right now has a bad bonus design with 4 useless unbonused launchers.
It should have double bonus to drones like dominix or more launchers like scorpion navy @ least.

pirate > navy > t1
Atkins Friendly
State War Academy
Caldari State
#25 - 2013-07-12 20:05:29 UTC
Tsukino Stareine wrote:
Atkins Friendly wrote:
Doesnt the rattlesnake have the largest subcap passive shield tank in game?


but at what cost


Well obviously not that much when it's the cheapest faction BS in game :)
Garviel Tarrant
Beyond Divinity Inc
Shadow Cartel
#26 - 2013-07-12 20:57:52 UTC
Sal Landry wrote:
Garviel Tarrant wrote:
**** off

My Rattler is awesome.

Your Rattler is ****.



Might i suggest that you're just bad at Eve?

BYDI recruitment closed-ish

Diesel47
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#27 - 2013-07-12 20:59:32 UTC
What use is a brick?
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#28 - 2013-07-12 21:45:17 UTC
John Ratcliffe wrote:
Malcanis wrote:

1800 DPS at long range?

Why no, that wouldn't be overpowered at all. Why not take that up to a round 2000?


Considering a FI Typhoon can do 1400 DPS at long range then I don't see why a Pirate BS shouldn't be able to do 400 DPS more. It's supposed to be uber FFS Roll


Right because they have comparable tanks.

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

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Ireland VonVicious
Vicious Trading Company
#29 - 2013-07-13 05:58:14 UTC
Rattlesnake is currently best L4 ship in game by miles.

It's also a great incursion ship. (( 40 man anchor ))
Does great in VG's too now that it can put out over 1200 dps.

It works well in wormholes too if you have very high drone skills.
Buddy with spider tank always helps RS in WH.

On top of that it can tank L5's

It can select damage type with ease.
Has monster range.
Has huge tank both in effective health and repair.

It is PvE king!

As a neut / Dps ship it's also one hell of a PvP boat.
Can be a sniper at the same time!

It handles smaller ships like no other BS in game for PvP.

It's the one ship you can dump lots of sp into and have it help you in all areas.

Maybe you missed the drone amps and the cruise missile buffs in the patches over the past year and a half.

It's only cheap because the skill needs are so odd and high.
Very few have missiles/drones/shields trained high enough to make it shine.

It's the single most over powered sub cap in the game right now and I love it! Shocked
If you still want to give it a buff I won't argue.
Bertrand Butler
Cras es Noster
#30 - 2013-07-13 07:30:00 UTC
The Rattle makes a very good DPS sink for PvE, and works admirably as a bait ship for small gang PvP. I really don't think that a serious buff is warranted...C:

[Rattlesnake, DPS Sink]

Shield Power Relay II
Shield Power Relay II
Shield Power Relay II
Shield Power Relay II
Shield Power Relay II
Shield Power Relay II

Heavy Capacitor Booster II, Navy Cap Booster 800
Pithum C-Type Adaptive Invulnerability Field
Pithum C-Type Adaptive Invulnerability Field
Shield Recharger II
Shield Recharger II
Large Shield Extender II
Large Shield Extender II

Torpedo Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Torpedo
Torpedo Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Torpedo
Torpedo Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Torpedo
Torpedo Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Torpedo
Centum A-Type Medium Remote Armor Repair System
Centum A-Type Medium Remote Armor Repair System

Large Core Defense Field Purger II
Large Core Defense Field Purger II
Large Core Defense Field Purger II

Garde II x5


[Rattlesnake, Rattle BaitJail: Loot Pinata simulation]

1600mm Reinforced Steel Plates II
Centus B-Type Armor EM Hardener
Centus B-Type Armor Explosive Hardener
Centus B-Type Armor Kinetic Hardener
Centus B-Type Armor Thermic Hardener
Damage Control II

X-Large Ancillary Shield Booster, Navy Cap Booster 400
Heavy Capacitor Booster II, Navy Cap Booster 800
Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor I
Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor I
Warp Disruptor II
Faint Epsilon Warp Scrambler I
Prototype 100MN Microwarpdrive I

Cynosural Field Generator I
Heavy Unstable Power Fluctuator I
'Malkuth' Cruise Launcher I, Caldari Navy Scourge Cruise Missile
'Malkuth' Cruise Launcher I, Caldari Navy Scourge Cruise Missile
'Malkuth' Cruise Launcher I, Caldari Navy Scourge Cruise Missile
'Malkuth' Cruise Launcher I, Caldari Navy Scourge Cruise Missile

Large Trimark Armor Pump I
Large Trimark Armor Pump I
Large Trimark Armor Pump I


Hammerhead II x5
Garde II x5
Hornet EC-300 x5
Bouncer II x5
Hobgoblin II x5
Warrior II x5
Hobgoblin I x5
CanI haveyourstuff
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#31 - 2013-07-13 12:58:10 UTC  |  Edited by: CanI haveyourstuff
Malcanis wrote:
CanI haveyourstuff wrote:


It should do 1800+ ish dps combined with drones.


1800 DPS at long range?

Why no, that wouldn't be overpowered at all. Why not take that up to a round 2000?



Holy ... if 30ish km is long range to you... motherofgod.
obviously I'm not talking about 1800+ dps up to 166km or am I ?
Derath Ellecon
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#32 - 2013-07-13 13:22:52 UTC
It is probably due for some balancing.

Now if only CCP had some program to follow in order to rebalance all the ships in EVE...
Sal Landry
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#33 - 2013-07-13 14:32:48 UTC
Garviel Tarrant wrote:
Might i suggest that you're just bad at Eve?

If you want to I suppose.
Giullare
The Candyman is Back
#34 - 2013-07-13 14:48:25 UTC  |  Edited by: Giullare
Ireland VonVicious wrote:
Rattlesnake is currently best L4 ship in game by miles.

It's also a great incursion ship. (( 40 man anchor ))
Does great in VG's too now that it can put out over 1200 dps.


I don't know about incursion
Giullare
The Candyman is Back
#35 - 2013-07-13 14:50:38 UTC
Ireland VonVicious wrote:


Buddy with spider tank always helps RS in WH.

On top of that it can tank L5's

It can select damage type with ease.
Has monster range.
Has huge tank both in effective health and repair.

It is PvE king!

As a neut / Dps ship it's also one hell of a PvP boat.
Can be a sniper at the same time!

.........

It's the single most over powered sub cap in the game right now and I love it! Shocked
If you still want to give it a buff I won't argue.


Dont' take as personal but this post is full of bullXXXX.

1) wh... u need 2 blap dread, 2 triage archon , 2 armor loki. if u are doing other way u r doing it wrong.
2) select my ass, only high damage drones are gallente and only a fraction of dps comes from missile.
3) only cruise have long range, garde miss over 40km, heavy drones slow as hell, targeting lock range also...
4) this is eve not WOW, ships doesn't have " health ", btw yes it's a brick but there are other ships with similar tank and way better dps like scorpion navy, golem, vargur...
5) not king of pve because:

- anomaly --> high dps (vindi,machariel,nightmare,carrier...)
- plex --> tengu
- wh read up
- level 4 (lol.. level4)
-level 5...sure one of best ships for level 5, u still need intel, clr local, RR, i would use a faster tengu over a fat bs hull or a cheap gila
- pvp...could write till tomorrow...where do i can start. U got bhaalgorn with neut and web bonuses, t1 geddon with monster neut range and same drone damage and 1 more launcher.
U are not going to field a lone faction brick sitting still without any sort of logi,cap transfer or dps. U can have 1 bazzilion ehp u still gonna die because u r sitting pointed, webbed and scrambled. So if u bring neut take a geddon or a bhaal, if u want to play like a boss bring a nano mach with loki booster. Rattle is a coffin and sentry are the spikes.
- sniper missile bs XD no need to spend a word on it

So if u think rattle is overpowered just because a noob with low sp can tank his favorite level 4 mission...
Lugia3
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#36 - 2013-07-15 07:19:21 UTC
Atkins Friendly wrote:
Doesnt the rattlesnake have the largest subcap passive shield tank in game?


Second, actually. The Myrmidon claims first place.

"CCP Dolan is full of shit." - CCP Bettik
Bertrand Butler
Cras es Noster
#37 - 2013-07-15 09:57:53 UTC  |  Edited by: Bertrand Butler
Nah, you can reach higher with a Rattle, almost double the passive HP/s to be precise. The Myrmidon is equivalent to the SNI in passive shielding.
FT Diomedes
The Graduates
#38 - 2013-07-15 12:23:50 UTC
Yes, the Rattlesnake is in dire need of a buff.

CCP should add more NPC 0.0 space to open it up and liven things up: the Stepping Stones project.

Nash MacAllister
Air
The Initiative.
#39 - 2013-07-15 15:07:54 UTC
Giullare wrote:

Dont' take as personal but this post is full of bullXXXX.


Lol. So as not to waste time, all I will say is disregard this fine gentleman's misguided post.

Yes, if you have to ask yourself the question, just assume we are watching you...
Muad 'dib
State War Academy
Caldari State
#40 - 2013-07-15 18:31:33 UTC
CanI haveyourstuff wrote:
Malcanis wrote:
CanI haveyourstuff wrote:


It should do 1800+ ish dps combined with drones.


1800 DPS at long range?

Why no, that wouldn't be overpowered at all. Why not take that up to a round 2000?



Holy ... if 30ish km is long range to you... motherofgod.
obviously I'm not talking about 1800+ dps up to 166km or am I ?


30k people tend to call kite range, long range tends to be ranges out of normal pvp ranges, so 50k+.

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