Market Discussions

No, they don't exist only in my head. Especially, as I see, the APIs stream data to you rather than giving it you as a predetermined UI. So you don't even need to bother copying and pasting to assemble a database.

Yes, I clearly stated that I think you fly a dragon... honestly, I thought it was a ship in game possibly...

My favorite part is the people who make the websites that access the information for you - they've got to be the ones with the best API databases.

Now I know why CCP didn't fire the guy that was seeding BPO's to his corp that worked for the company.

Oh, not real imaginary dragons, that'd be absurd. You think I flew to my real job on a fictional in game spaceship dragon. Well okay then. Thanks for clearing that one up.

So the villains in this story are the coders who make third party tools like evemon which are pretty much essential to the playing of eve? Although I'm not sure you know what evemon is. But if you do it'll break your mind.

DUDE, there is a line! take a number...
I was here first

I'm fine with unfair pvp mechanics - just like you play on the PvP server at WoW and that guy 40 levels above you drops out of the sky and one shots you. And then does it again several times every time you come back to life. And then moves on to terrorize the next unsuspecting lowbie. I'm fine with the risk that my 75 mil cargo will get blown up in my Mark V. I'm fine with people cargo scanning me. Those all, to me, seem like regular game mechanics that one would expect. Just like if I sign up for the minecraft server with no protections, someone might come steal all my diamonds.

People will play unbalanced games, but few players want to play fixed games.

How about you got back to WOW and help raise the average IQ of both games then?

Isn't the Casino is "fixed" too, but BEHOLD! people still play there...

No, that was the other horse, 4 incarnations ago, now it is something like this.

Horsey!

Who said I'm in favor of Casinos? I picked Amarr - Khanid - Zealot.

Blackjack is a fair game, and poker is a fair game as long as you don't have players at the same table working together... other than that, unless you're relatively wealthy, I had really wished there were an option in FO: NV to level the strip at the end.

Firstly, I never said the only use was to get rich. As I stated, it can also be used to simply muscle people out of markets. It can be used to spy on other players through seeing what they bought from that player. It can be used to determine data not otherwise available in game, such as specific price differences between stations rather than only getting a regional overview presented in game. And, yes, it can be used for checking whether people were somehow stupid enough to transfer large sums of money from an alt to their character because they've been assigned to spy on you and are otherwise pretending to be a noob. After all, I'm so nefariously conniving that, having played the game for so long, that if I'm going to create a character to spy on a corp and having subsequently made the mistake of somehow polluting my finances with evidence that I was a spy, that fourteen days is really a lot of time lost in comparison to the six years I've been playing...

Secondly, one doesn't and cannot apply the direct deductive scientific method to most questions of sociology, or, more specifically, one doesn't apply deductive reasoning to things for which empirical data is out of reach, destroyed, or inherently non-existent. I cannot hack peoples' computers or API service websites as that is both illegal and beyond my skillset to empirically gather data. And, nobody would admit to having large databases of Eve financial info.

Thirdly, I don't need to test every molecule in the universe to believe they're all made of atoms which are all composed of neutrons, protons, and electrons (the most-abundant hydrogen isotope doesn't have a neutron, being the exception to those compositional components). This is the principle of falsifiability. When things exist so frequently in nature that they become, essentially, rules by which things operate, one can safely infer that the law is applicable everywhere.

Fourthly, Eve is about abuse of game mechanics for advantage, API collection of financial info creates a substantial dataset from which information not regularly provided in game can be gleaned, such as, as I stated, price gradients across individual stations (though most of this can also be inferred simply by aging numbers of players in the region, agent missions present in the area, etc - but that requires actual work - not just having everyone hand over their transaction history).

Fifthly, I clearly didn't hand out my financial API as I believe it is nefarious, this does not exempt the unfair advantage other players can get by data-mining them from those who are careless with their assets and financials, henceforth creating an unfair market. Of course, things which are unfair are part of Eve, but things like that are game-breakingly unfair in my view.

Sixth, I posted here to alert people to the possibility of data abuse from the financials. This is under the uninformed assumption that it doesn't truncate in any way what I see in game from my transaction history. On that, I could be wrong and will investigate further, but I somehow doubt it does truncate that.

(update) I see here that it most certainly includes that information I am most concerned about, station locations and client names: http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/EVE_API_Character_Wallet_Transactions

The fact that this thread is still alive is a testament to how quiet MD has become recently. Sadly, this is the most entertaining thread there has been for weeks. It has to be said, though, that whether troll or not the OP is good value.

I had no idea Jesters could eat TRT.