EVE General Discussion

i hear you guys generated a lot of content for a bomber recently.

i can only commend this.

I've read many of your posts and you seem to find value in the match up?
Like any good superhero story, it's boring if one side is too OP..

Where in EVE can you find a good match up, where you feel it was a good fight and not a "gank", but one where you and your opponent chat afterwards about the battle. Is there a magic place for this?

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Yup.....I think that covers it.

PvP to me is a means to an end. I enjoy PvP when it's in pursuit of something, not just for the sake of doing it. What that PvP can be is many things, running from the honorable 1v1 to the ganks, from the small gang warfare to the blob, miners competing for asteroids to the traders selling it on the market.

It's something that lost ym interest slowly but surely ever since it became apaprent that a **** ton of people who participate in it spend more time/energy **** talking than actually playing the game. Win ro lose, success or defeat, you will always find someone to question your sexuality or insult your mother. I'm playing video games to chill and let the BS of a real life day go out. Not to have yet another kind fo BS to deal with.

I don't mean to say everybody is like that of course but the bad apples are still numerous. I let the people interested have fun at it and they can even interact with me when the game rules permit it but I am not really actively looking for it.

EvE isn't a good "match up", considering it's a skills game, but quickly throws it away to make it like a FPS game.

In FPS games they have gear normalization. You can unlock more powerful weapons, but that buck private can kill a general with his pistol just as easy as the general can with an AK-47. That is how EvE operates in fighting mechanics.

In WoW, gear matters along with skill. To "match up" in arenas you are rated by the difficulty of your opponents based on previous wins. Kill a team with higher MMR, your rating goes up and vice versa if you're defeated. The odds are that the higher MMR players will win, because not only gear matters (top arena players are in 2200 gear which has better stats) their proficiency (knowing their class abilities well and counter tactics). EvE doesn't even have a rating system to judge proficiency like a true FPS game. EvE just scores who killed what and what was lost, no other stats apply.

At best EvE is a hybrid.

Are we all being too civilized, is that it?

It is difficult to understand what motivates others to do things and why they enjoy this or other PVP gaming activities.

It is rather clear from my posts in this and other threads that I am more of the "We fight with honor" type of player, but since that is not all that obvious in EVE, it is also helpful to new players, PVE players and the general understanding of what PVP means to EVE's player base as a collective.

This understanding really helps those adverse to participating in PVP in EVE.

Most PVE players just think the PVP crowd players are jerks.....so this is a chance to talk about it.... that's all.. we're all gamers!

That absolutely depends on what type of game I'm playing and what my goals are.

If you consider sports to be PvP, then balanced games are much more fun. I'd rather have a challenging game of pick-up basketball where the other team gives me a good run for my money than play a bunch of n'er-do-wells with two left feet who can't dribble the ball or find the backboard with a GPS.

But, take a game like No Limit Texas Hold'em with a few thousand dollars on the table, and I would MUCH rather go up against a bunch of rank-ass amateurs who wouldn't know a flush if they were trying to get rid of a bad case of post-Taco-Bell diarrhea.

In video games, again - it varies. Quick-twitch games like Team Fortress or Counterstrike tend to be more fun if the competition is rather even and games can go either way, then it feels exhilarating to win a match. But games like EVE can paint a different picture. Here "fairness" is more of a long-term concept, whereas individual encounters I seek to have an "unfair" advantage over my opponents whenever possible. If they want to even the playing field, they have every opportunity to join a corporation/alliance larger and more powerful than mine and come back and serve me a piping-hot or icy-cold dish of revenge. The game plays out over a much longer time frame and therefore the "evenness" of individual encounters is not as important as the balance of the game in the long run, and the ability of players to move within the social structure of the game and affect change.

This is one of EVE's great successes. By sticking to a single server, actions tend to have far-reaching and long-lasting consequences that you can't just run and hide from with a "name change" or a "server transfer."

I completely agree, and as a father of 5 kids, it's sad that PVP gamers think ganging up on solo players is winning, and they somehow did something amazing.

It's the publisher fault I feel for giving players so much freedom and not adding a more structured and entertaining PVP experience in game.... at least on some level.

I don't think it's actually possible in this game since it's so deeply convicted to open world only after ten years of the same thing, it's not changing.

PvP is any combat or activity in game that leads to combat. Market trades are not really PvP imo because they are consentual. Both side agree to the outcome whereas in true PvP both side are in conflict and the outcome is determined by other factors - ship, skill, luck.

Likewise PvE in null low high is not PvP until a player attacks and transforms it into PvP. Avoiding PvP is not PvP it is the inverse of PvP and while highly difficult and requiring skill at times still not PvP until you fail at it.

My PvP is war decs against alliances, I engage in cat and mouse games, and the occasional hit and run on a member who makes a mistake and becomes separated vulnerable. I use spies, locator agents, research each member often taking weeks of prep. My goal is to kill as many as possible without getting killed. I enjoy the thrill of the hunt and outsmarting the many.