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Becoming a Pirate?

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Tori Kamanchi
Perkone
Caldari State
#41 - 2013-07-04 13:37:23 UTC
CCP Falcon wrote:

It's dangerous to go alone... take this!

In all seriousness, I was a pirate for almost a decade before I came to CCP.

When you actually pirate, and actively look for targets rather than sitting on a gate or station blowing up rookies, its a very rewarding form of gameplay and can lead to some awesome experiences.

There are only three pieces of advice I'd give starting out:

The first is universal to EVE - Don't fly what you can't afford to lose. Even if you're a 150 million skillpoint character, if you're trying it for the first time then take something cheap and disposable out until you find your feet. T1 cruisers and frigates are by far the most cost effective, as well as the more recently added new line of destroyers. Once you're comfortable, you can expand a little and try more expensive hardware.You'll die a lot initially until you find your feet and become familiar with all the horrible bait tactics that big meanies use to catch you while you're innocently trying to ply your trade, but you'll start to learn their ways and kill them in the middle of the face pretty fast.

The second is common sense - Choose your targets selectively. You're going to need to initially when you're flying something disposable. Whether you're going for the kill and loot approach or the ransom, you'll need to be able to hold your own. In any of the ships listed above you'll want to start off with softer targets until you get used to playing the aggressor. Once you're comfortable, take the proactive approach and go looking for a fight to cut your teeth.

Finally, stick to your word. You ransom someone and they pay up? It's good business practice to let them go. Word travels quickly in EVE, and if you start screwing people over you'll end up with people telling you where to shove your ransom offer.


Regardless of how you approach it, Piracy isn't for everyone. I ran a pirate corp for 7 years or so as a player before I came to CCP, and I've seen all kinds of results. People who couldn't handle PvP losses, people who had a crisis of conscience and refunded all the stuff they destroyed to their victims, people who just couldn't earn a living, and people who got bored with having to actually look for targets rather than just getting an overview full of them during a fleet fight.

It's kind of a niche style of gameplay, sometimes it works for people, sometimes it doesn't.

Hope this helps. Big smile



I can now finally revive the "Because of Falcon" meme with "I became a pirate.... because of Falcon" Big smile

For anyone not around at the time, here's the original (and epic) thread: http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=1036387&page=1
Warde Guildencrantz
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#42 - 2013-07-04 13:55:32 UTC
Once youve been pirating for a couple of years, come join tundragon (^o^)v

TunDraGon ~ Low sec piracy since 2003 ~ Youtube ~ Join Us

Lyrka Bloodberry
Spybeaver
#43 - 2013-07-04 14:33:40 UTC
Katie Door wrote:
I know i'll most likely get flammed to rancer and back for what I am about to do, but here goes:

CCP Falcon wrote:


When you actually pirate, and actively look for targets rather than sitting on a gate or station blowing up rookies, its a very rewarding form of gameplay and can lead to some awesome experiences.



Please, CCP Falcon, Please give us the be-all and end all definition of piracy.

The fact that you do not consider gate camping piracy, nearly blows my mind. so please, STFU, and let your customers decide what is and isn't piracy.


Does anyone else see the irony here?
You're telling others to let everyone decide on their own what is and isn't piracy and when someone decides that for himself piracy is not gate camping you're telling him he's wrong and to STFU?

"Let everyone have their own opinion, except when it is different from mine!"

Spybeaver

Bloodpetal
Tir Capital Management Group
#44 - 2013-07-04 16:27:28 UTC
Gate camping isn't "actual" piracy, because you're being damn lazy.

When the real pirates come to town, gate campers pack it up.

We've done this to Heretic Army on a regular basis the last few weeks on Ossogur gate. Twisted

They run like little bunnies.

Where I am.

Garviel Tarrant
Beyond Divinity Inc
Shadow Cartel
#45 - 2013-07-04 18:54:38 UTC  |  Edited by: Garviel Tarrant
CCP Falcon wrote:
Famine Aligher'ri wrote:
I know it's a hard concept for most games, but developers are (or were) players too. That's a good thing.


Oh, I'm still very much an EVE player Big smile





I'm 87% sure that Falcon is every scam bot in jita. Just multiboxing like mad

EDIT: Also your corp doesn't allow pirating? Sounds like they don't really understand the concept. Being a pirate in eve isn't like being a real life bad person.. Its just being a dedicated PVPer in low sec.

Sure we also tend to be dicks but that is in no way the rule.

BYDI recruitment closed-ish

Ceq Lysander
#46 - 2013-07-04 20:33:32 UTC
Katie Door wrote:
I know i'll most likely get flammed to rancer and back for what I am about to do, but here goes:

CCP Falcon wrote:


When you actually pirate, and actively look for targets rather than sitting on a gate or station blowing up rookies, its a very rewarding form of gameplay and can lead to some awesome experiences.



Please, CCP Falcon, Please give us the be-all and end all definition of piracy.

The fact that you do not consider gate camping piracy, nearly blows my mind. so please, STFU, and let your customers decide what is and isn't piracy.



QFT. Piracy is piracy whether you're roaming or camping.

As a pirate you want to maximise your profit:loss (like many others). You achieve this by skill, tactics and scouting. Yes we dock up when a bigger/better fleet comes our way - we're not stupid. The fact of the matter is this: if you want to pirate, profitably, you need a gang and you don't engage things which cost your fleet ships.

Roaming is simply much more dangerous and risky.

This is my signature. There are many like it but this one is mine!

Plastic Psycho
Necro-Economics
#47 - 2013-07-04 20:42:03 UTC
Bloodpetal wrote:
Gate camping isn't "actual" piracy, because you're being damn lazy.

When the real pirates come to town, gate campers pack it up.

We've done this to Heretic Army on a regular basis the last few weeks on Ossogur gate. Twisted

They run like little bunnies.

"Real" pirates do *precisely* that kind of thing. Having sailed the Straits of Malacca, the waters of the Philippine archipelago, and the horn of Africa, I can tell you that 'Gate Camping' is very much a real-world pirate tactic. And yes, real pirates pack up and hide when heavy-hitters (like pretty much *anyone's* navy - AND larger, more heavily-armed pirate bands) show up. And when the heavy-hitters go away, the pirates come back out to play.

The economics of piracy mean NOT wasting your resources in stand-up fights that you will lose - or even *might* lose. It means using every dirty nasty secret and trick in the book to enhance your bottom line with minimum risk - to you, anyway. Blink
Famine Aligher'ri
Sheriff.
Caldari Tactical Operations Command
#48 - 2013-07-04 21:09:47 UTC
Bloodpetal wrote:
Gate camping isn't "actual" piracy, because you're being damn lazy.

When the real pirates come to town, gate campers pack it up.

We've done this to Heretic Army on a regular basis the last few weeks on Ossogur gate. Twisted

They run like little bunnies.


Hey! I remember you guys! You're that corp who station hugs non-stop and doesn't actually fight anyone 5km or more from a station or gate!

I <3 you guys.

Famine Aligher'ri - Original Solo Pirate

Former The Pirate Syndicate Member

Former D.e.V.i.a.n.c.e member

Former Burn Eden member

Former BioMass Cartel member

Hogarth Starbanger
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#49 - 2013-07-04 23:11:32 UTC
First off, I second all the advice to join RvB. While it won't give you "real" eve pvp, it'll help you get used to fighting and dying. As well as help get you used to what a ship can and cannot do, not to mention plenty of other pvp skills (fitting, directional, manual piloting, etc.) It won't make you a pirate, but it will give you some basic pvp experience. From there, find a gang/corp to fly with with and go gank somebody so hard they won't get laid for a week.

Also listen to Famine: If a pirate finds themselves in a fair fight they did something wrong.
Chessur
Full Broadside
Deepwater Hooligans
#50 - 2013-07-05 17:30:20 UTC
1. Starting in frigates is a great idea, especially t1.

2. Once you have the hang of that, i would move onto T1 cruisers. They are broken OP right now for their cost, and extreamly cost effective. Stay away from AF's / Dessi- as they are pretty worthless when compared to a cruiser. Just remember that you can tank station guns / gate guns in a cruiser. which is not possible in a dessi / frig.

3. For logistics- Black frog / Red frog. Super cheak, and no problem.

4. If your looking for hunting grounds, try where brave newbies have recently set up shop in vaestouve.

5. If you ever want advice, shoot me a PM. -9.9 status here, so i know how the pirate game is played :)
FuzzyButt
The Lazy Crabs
#51 - 2013-07-06 12:43:58 UTC
Plastic Psycho wrote:
Bloodpetal wrote:
Gate camping isn't "actual" piracy, because you're being damn lazy.

When the real pirates come to town, gate campers pack it up.

We've done this to Heretic Army on a regular basis the last few weeks on Ossogur gate. Twisted

They run like little bunnies.

"Real" pirates do *precisely* that kind of thing. Having sailed the Straits of Malacca, the waters of the Philippine archipelago, and the horn of Africa, I can tell you that 'Gate Camping' is very much a real-world pirate tactic. And yes, real pirates pack up and hide when heavy-hitters (like pretty much *anyone's* navy - AND larger, more heavily-armed pirate bands) show up. And when the heavy-hitters go away, the pirates come back out to play.

The economics of piracy mean NOT wasting your resources in stand-up fights that you will lose - or even *might* lose. It means using every dirty nasty secret and trick in the book to enhance your bottom line with minimum risk - to you, anyway. Blink



Hey!

Gate camping is fantastic.

Having people willingly jump into your arms, giving you all they're gold and goodies.

Half the pleasure for me is when a fleet comes i go hug my POS while taking the loot back too station. Enjoying a cup of delicious tea and having some Strawberry's.

Very comforting and enjoyable. Profitable even.... As long as you don't tackle that Snuff box alt in a BC or that Ninja Unicorn guy in that suspicious omen navy issue....

Piracy tho has many ways of being done. Either if its hunting in an AF, cruiser roams, gate camping, poco/pos attacks, ganking, hot drops.
all them fun activities just out of living in low sec being mean too others =))))
NaK'Lin
Seamen Force
#52 - 2013-07-08 05:10:52 UTC
Lyrka Bloodberry wrote:
Katie Door wrote:
I know i'll most likely get flammed to rancer and back for what I am about to do, but here goes:

CCP Falcon wrote:


When you actually pirate, and actively look for targets rather than sitting on a gate or station blowing up rookies, its a very rewarding form of gameplay and can lead to some awesome experiences.



Please, CCP Falcon, Please give us the be-all and end all definition of piracy.

The fact that you do not consider gate camping piracy, nearly blows my mind. so please, STFU, and let your customers decide what is and isn't piracy.


Does anyone else see the irony here?
You're telling others to let everyone decide on their own what is and isn't piracy and when someone decides that for himself piracy is not gate camping you're telling him he's wrong and to STFU?

"Let everyone have their own opinion, except when it is different from mine!"

No irony. If you read *carefully* you will notice that he is pointing out that especially as a dev, one should not try to define piracy or what it comprises. he didn't state anything about right or wrong.

Ceq Lysander wrote:

QFT. Piracy is piracy whether you're roaming or camping.

As a pirate you want to maximise your profit:loss (like many others). You achieve this by skill, tactics and scouting. Yes we dock up when a bigger/better fleet comes our way - we're not stupid. The fact of the matter is this: if you want to pirate, profitably, you need a gang and you don't engage things which cost your fleet ships.

Roaming is simply much more dangerous and risky.


^^ THIS

It isn't about fighting fair or taking on a fleet that comes into you.
It is about isk vs reward. "pirates" actually LIVE off of piracy, eg. making enough isk to pay for our account and leisure purely with the revenue of killing people.
If pirates would be stupid mongrels engaging everybody coming towards them, they would soon be unable to sustain their piracy because it wouldn't be profitable.

also, it is specifically NOT about fair fights. everyone can decide that for themselves. piracy is about winning; killing you, your friends, extract your tears, and get some isk.

D3ka
Exo-Celestial
#53 - 2013-07-12 18:31:02 UTC  |  Edited by: D3ka
Quote:
[Chessur]

2. Once you have the hang of that, i would move onto T1 cruisers. They are broken OP right now for their cost, and extreamly cost effective. Stay away from AF's / Dessi- as they are pretty worthless when compared to a cruiser. Just remember that you can tank station guns / gate guns in a cruiser. which is not possible in a dessi / frig.



I disagree destroyers are very good for solo PvP, and with good skills you can take on quite a lot.
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