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Looking for advice on how to start an industrial operation
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Sandican
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#1 - 2013-07-12 17:58:06 UTC  |  Edited by: Sandican
Hello S&I,

After years of playing this game on and off, I have a managed to scrape by and acquire a small sum of isk that I would like to apply towards starting a manufacturing operation.

Being a total noob who has never produced a thing or used a pos, I have spent the last week doing lots of research.

Goals:
- operate a profitable hisec POS, of appropriate size for my operation (small?)
- start 2-3 new accounts
~ account 1 main is hauler/trader (60 days training)
*his 2 alts are research/copy focused (40days training)
~ account 1 main is T2 inventor/Manufacturer (90 days base)
*his 2 alts are research/copy focused (40 days training)

Questions:
1) For a small POS I plan to have: 1 Mobile Lab, 2 Advanced Labs, and 1 Corp Hangar. Is this an appropriate POS setup for this operation? The way I see it is it provides enough copy/research slots for 2 characters as well as the opportunity to invent on site as well.

2) Is having 2 accounts the way to go here? Do I need a 3rd? Is 2 sustainable after 5-6 months when both accounts have 3 characters (1 trader, 4 research/copy, 1 inventor/manufacturer). Is there a better setup for these 6 characters? Will having only 1 inventor/manufacturer be too much of a bottleneck?

3) Anything else out of place? Any tips for what I should be doing while all these skills are training? T1 blueprint research/copies?

Thank you for your help!
Elena Thiesant
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#2 - 2013-07-12 18:07:56 UTC
Advice: Start small.

Start by researching the market, buying BPCs off contract for stuff that's profitable, make and sell. Once you're comfortable and you are enjoying the work required, then expand a little, repeat until it's borderline too much work.

POSs are annoying, expensive and require lots of care and supervision (and lots of ISK)

Basically, don't dive straight into the deep end.
Sir SmashAlot
The League of Extraordinary Opportunists
Intergalactic Conservation Movement
#3 - 2013-07-12 18:54:10 UTC
Elena Thiesant wrote:
Advice: Start small.

Start by researching the market, buying BPCs off contract for stuff that's profitable, make and sell. Once you're comfortable and you are enjoying the work required, then expand a little, repeat until it's borderline too much work.

POSs are annoying, expensive and require lots of care and supervision (and lots of ISK)

Basically, don't dive straight into the deep end.


^^^ This ^^^

If you take the time to plan and research a proper process, and then reinvest what you earn, you can grow your capital pool very quickly. Starting small will allow you to make mistakes and find to what you like to do. Anchoring a tower early does not offer much benefit verse the cost and time to maintain.

A word of caution through, maintaining an industrial process in EVE is not very different from data entry. Make sure it is not your end, but a means to something else.

Good Luck
Scarlett LaBlanc
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#4 - 2013-07-12 19:58:43 UTC
^^^^^ All that.

If and WHEN you get there a small POS will be way to small for 6 characters. Even a Medium will be to small for 9.

My last "go around" in invention with an old corp had 4 members using everything we could online to a medium POS. If your really going to do 6-9 characters you will need a large.

1 inventor will be a huge bottleneck. invention jobs are fast, things like modules are less than 2 hours in a POS. Unless your going to log in every two hours and deliver and re-install invention jobs your manufacture characters will have a lot of wasted capacity.

There is profit there, but remember that the more you "pile on", the more "work" it becomes. For me the key is to keep it just below the place where it feels like "grinding". I don't like my game feeling like a chore.
Termy Rockling
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#5 - 2013-07-12 20:32:22 UTC
I started with 1 char, who did pretty much everything, trade/manuf/research/invent, then i started to expand from there by making another manuf/research alt and so on.
Ireland VonVicious
Vicious Trading Company
#6 - 2013-07-12 20:43:35 UTC
i'd run 3 toons and just the 1 account.

Have one out of your corp for neutral hauling. ((war time))
Basic trade skills can make this alt more useful too.

Start with basic easy BPO's on things like rigs,ammo,drones.

Your main should either provide the salvage or the ore.

If you go salvage go all the way! Scrap metal 5 and trade skills.
Make yourself a lot of connections with L4 mission runners.

Have all three learn PI skills up to 4.

Keep your research in NPC stations to start. (( Yes the wait times suck ))

Once you got a good operation running you will know when it's time to setup a small POS.

When fitting the POS look for just enough labs to do what you need and the rest of the cpu/pwr goes to weapons/ew.
POS in high sec better be well hidden and be ready to lose a tower from time to time.

Don't be scared to build up your other alt into a gank destroyerr.

Running this way will cost about 2 plex for the alts and you never have to pay for them again.

This cuts the over 1 Billion overhead you would have to come up with every month if they were on other accounts and you had to keep plexing them.

If you get all that done and still have time on your hands think about the 2nd account.
Sandican
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#7 - 2013-07-12 20:48:18 UTC
Thanks for the tips everyone!

I have definitely reconsidered my options, and I will be sticking to 1 account dual training for now.

I should mention my main is capable of plexing 2 accounts a month, but thats like a job, and no on wants that, so I'll stick to 1.

Does anyone have a sample setup of a small caldari pos for future keeping?
gas guzzler
Virtus Crusade Highsec Chapter
#8 - 2013-07-12 23:53:44 UTC
No need to limit yourself to npc stations for research, use

New eden research.

Google em