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Members of the New Order should be banned!

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Verunae Caseti
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#41 - 2013-07-12 15:14:08 UTC
Whitehound wrote:
Ace Uoweme wrote:
It is Luftwaffe. Same as the Waffen-SS.

There is Waffle-Eisen, gefuellte Waffle and Eiswaffle, too! How can you be so sure it is NS-related?


Because the corporation with the name are self-professed trolls, and act like dicks about a lot of other stuff?

More power to them, and I don't think CCP should intervene in any way, but I also think it's silly to discuss it as if they didn't obviously mean for it to be offensive. Come on.
Ryks Nalar
Doomheim
#42 - 2013-07-12 15:17:04 UTC
Verunae Caseti wrote:
Whitehound wrote:
Ace Uoweme wrote:
It is Luftwaffe. Same as the Waffen-SS.

There is Waffle-Eisen, gefuellte Waffle and Eiswaffle, too! How can you be so sure it is NS-related?


Because the corporation with the name are self-professed trolls, and act like dicks about a lot of other stuff?

More power to them, and I don't think CCP should intervene in any way, but I also think it's silly to discuss it as if they didn't obviously mean for it to be offensive. Come on.

Well there's a difference to a name sounding the same as both names are German, and a name being a name of an active religious organisation. Goonwaffe is not an active religious organisation. I do wonder though, if one started now, would the rules apply even though Goonwaffe the in game entity started first?
Whitehound
#43 - 2013-07-12 15:24:41 UTC
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Ace Uoweme wrote:
Verunae Caseti wrote:
TIL it's Goonwaffe and not GoonwaffLe.


It is Luftwaffe. Same as the Waffen-SS.

Folks know the meaning. This is mostly a European game and such things are much more personal there than in the US, they got hurt by it up close and personal.


Waffe means "weapon". Translated thusly, Luftwaffe means "Air Force".

Any connotations you add to the definition of a word, are ones you add yourself. Your ignorance is appalling.

So is yours.

Your translation is wrong, because "Force" means "Kraft" and does not mean the same as weapon. You only translate it wrong, because you want it to be associated with "Waffe" and ignore the context in which you try to establish your "translation".

Pro-tip: GoonWaff(l)e taste best with noob juice.

Loss is meaningful. Therefore is the loss of meaning likewise meaningful. It is the source of all trolling.

Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#44 - 2013-07-12 15:31:14 UTC  |  Edited by: Jenn aSide
[quote=Kaarous Aldurald

Waffe means "weapon". [/quote]

Really?

So, because the word "Goon" (from the old slang Gooney, like a Gooney Bird) traditionally meant " A stupid or oafish person, a simpleton" , then "Goonwaffe" literally translates to "Simpleton Force"?

Sounds about right Evil
ImmutableDark
Absalom.
#45 - 2013-07-12 15:35:30 UTC
Verunae Caseti wrote:
When you reduce the art of trolling to basically "Saying really dumb stuff and waiting for people to notice" and you STILL can't do it successfully, you should really start asking some pressing questions of yourself.

If you find the experience of speaking to yourself disconerting, I suggest using a mirror to make it feel like a conversation. Just try not to lose your temper - you could end up with some nasty cuts.


As a Masorti Jew I am expressly forbidden from trolling. I don't know how your ancient Hebrew is but in the torah it reads "hakek malachu mesiya o bama tanku helel ishayu machischki alamayk". This roughly translates to those who troll are not with god. My Jew hat that I wear tells me that there is always a God above me and that I should be considerate of his will. That's why I'm a zionist and support the occupation of Palestine and the persecution of it's people because I see it as God's divine will and you should too.
Xavier Higdon
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#46 - 2013-07-12 15:35:41 UTC
How did this go from a troll thread to discussing the secret meaning behind "waffe" and how it relates to the Illuminati and Free Masons taking over EvE.(extra conspiracy theory elements added to convey how dumb the argument is.) The Goonwaffe was started by an American, and only in America(where I live) are generic German words equated with evil. The reason behind the choice is probably pretty simple, attempting to evoke images of a large, mean and evil group. But that only matters to Americans, who don't speak German and are therefore only exposed to the word "waffe" as it applies to WW2. After all, today we talk about the German Airforce, not the Luftwaffe. And Ace, for a guy that hates PCs as much as you do, you spend a lot of time on them.
Q 5
999 HOLDINGS LLC
#47 - 2013-07-12 15:39:37 UTC  |  Edited by: Q 5
If you want to troll next time write it up to sound more like a legit beeoach.

CCP needs to stop miner harassment by the new order for violation of the EULA is clearly in play here.
Miners getting ganked and blown up for simply enjoying themselves for something they pay for and have a right to be left along.

So you break it down.

1. Use CCP in your post cause people can't resist cause it's like invoking the (I'm telling mom on you).

2. Use words like violation and unauthorized, this gets people upset and they smack their lips and get frustrated by saying you did something wrong. (People don't like being told their wrong).

3. Bring their crime to light, make accusations that are reasonable and make it clear your being victimized, what this does is get them (violators) thinking to want to say stuff like STFU and HTFU.

4. Always say they are messing up your good time, griefers and trolls love that.

5. Say stuff like YOU and others should be left alone, this angers people who believe it is THEIR right to do as they please.

6. Always, Always question their morals or intelligence, this gets them hooked many a times cause now your questioning them in their RL behavior and people hate that.

7. Don't attack with name calling cause it's boring they have heard it before.

8. Just remember a proper troll prepares an attacking by sounding sincere, smart yet making grammar errors, and able to dodge punches from other would be trolls by using wit not insults.

Remember in the end most people are just monkeys ready to pounce on a banana don't throw them a rock.
Xen Solarus
Furious Destruction and Salvage
#48 - 2013-07-12 15:45:55 UTC
The new order is just another scam, a way for these fools to make isk without actually earning it.

Don't feed the trolls people.

Post with your main, like a BOSS!

And no, i don't live in highsec.  As if that would make your opinion any less wrong.  

Ace Uoweme
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#49 - 2013-07-12 15:51:00 UTC
Q 5 wrote:
If you want to troll next time write it up to sound more like a legit beeoach.

CCP needs to stop miner harassment by the new order for violation of the EULA is clearly in play here.
Miners getting ganked and blown up for simply enjoying themselves for something they pay for and have a right to be left along.


Simplest solution is: give them good o' boys guns!

They can police themselves.

But CCP isn't going to do that, because without something human to hunt bots, they'll overcome the game. But New Order isn't about fixing the bot problem, so they're just as bad as the bots.

_"In a world of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." _ ~George Orwell

Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#50 - 2013-07-12 16:07:08 UTC  |  Edited by: Jonah Gravenstein
Q 5 wrote:
If you want to troll next time write it up to sound more like a legit beeoach.

CCP needs to stop miner harassment by the new order for violation of the EULA is clearly in play here.
Miners getting ganked and blown up for simply enjoying themselves for something they pay for and have a right to be left along.


Miners have the right to try and mine, just as the gankers have the right to try and stop them from doing so, that's the beauty of a game that allows you to choose how you want to play it.

You can't advocate changing the game so that nobody is able to affect the way that a miner chooses to play Eve, while changing the game so that the way gankers choose to play is affected, that's called hypocrisy.

In the beginning there was nothing, which exploded.

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Plastic Psycho
Necro-Economics
#51 - 2013-07-12 16:09:14 UTC
Ace Uoweme wrote:
Q 5 wrote:
If you want to troll next time write it up to sound more like a legit beeoach.

CCP needs to stop miner harassment by the new order for violation of the EULA is clearly in play here.
Miners getting ganked and blown up for simply enjoying themselves for something they pay for and have a right to be left along.


Simplest solution is: give them good o' boys guns!

They can police themselves.

But CCP isn't going to do that, because without something human to hunt bots, they'll overcome the game. But New Order isn't about fixing the bot problem, so they're just as bad as the bots.

Who needs guns? Ran across a nest of Retrievers last night, mining away. Their drones? Mosly EW drones - very few combat drones. Good mix - able to shut down a gank long enough for Concord to arrive, and able to deal with any plausible rats.

The only plausible threat would then be either bumping, or a very much more expensive gank boat / fleet. Dunno about anyone else, but I'm not throwing an AF or crusier way on a simple miner gank. Maybe if there were enough targets close together, I could see using a suicide disco BS. But how often does that chance come up?
Effect One
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#52 - 2013-07-12 16:15:27 UTC
stoicfaux wrote:
Steam is having their summer sale: X3:Terran Conflict for only $3.99


Holy **** that's a bargain and a half Batman!

'This might be internet spaceships, but it's not rocket science to protect yourself and fly with a little common sense' - CCP Falcon

Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#53 - 2013-07-12 16:24:26 UTC
Xen Solarus wrote:
The new order is just another scam, a way for these fools to make isk without actually earning it.

Don't feed the trolls people.



Seriously.

It violates all tenets of Risk vs. Reward.

The miners usually do not have adequate mechanics available to do anything about it (most of the New Order are in NPC Corps, the wimps) so can't be War Decced, and Mercs are hardly going to intimidate them.

They, on the other hand, they risk absolutely nothing. AT ALL.

THAT aspect is what CCP really needs to be looking at closely.

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882

Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#54 - 2013-07-12 16:26:36 UTC
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
Xen Solarus wrote:
The new order is just another scam, a way for these fools to make isk without actually earning it.

Don't feed the trolls people.



Seriously.

It violates all tenets of Risk vs. Reward.

The miners usually do not have adequate mechanics available to do anything about it (most of the New Order are in NPC Corps, the wimps) so can't be War Decced, and Mercs are hardly going to intimidate them.

They, on the other hand, they risk absolutely nothing. AT ALL.

THAT aspect is what CCP really needs to be looking at closely.

I must disagree with you there Krixtal, the majority of the New Order guys are in one alliance, they have some independent operators who fly under their flag, some of which are in NPC corps, the rest of which are in various player corps.

In the beginning there was nothing, which exploded.

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Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#55 - 2013-07-12 16:29:13 UTC
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
Xen Solarus wrote:
The new order is just another scam, a way for these fools to make isk without actually earning it.

Don't feed the trolls people.



Seriously.

It violates all tenets of Risk vs. Reward.

The miners usually do not have adequate mechanics available to do anything about it (most of the New Order are in NPC Corps, the wimps) so can't be War Decced, and Mercs are hardly going to intimidate them.

They, on the other hand, they risk absolutely nothing. AT ALL.

THAT aspect is what CCP really needs to be looking at closely.

I must disagree with you there Krixtal, the majority of the New Order guys are in one alliance, they have some independent operators who fly under their flag, some of which are in NPC corps, the rest of which are in various player corps.


Probably true. But the only ones I've encountered in Derelik are NPC 100%.

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882

Ajar Arjar
Doomheim
#56 - 2013-07-12 16:31:37 UTC
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
Xen Solarus wrote:
The new order is just another scam, a way for these fools to make isk without actually earning it.

Don't feed the trolls people.



Seriously.

It violates all tenets of Risk vs. Reward.

The miners usually do not have adequate mechanics available to do anything about it (most of the New Order are in NPC Corps, the wimps) so can't be War Decced, and Mercs are hardly going to intimidate them.

They, on the other hand, they risk absolutely nothing. AT ALL.

THAT aspect is what CCP really needs to be looking at closely.

I must disagree with you there Krixtal, the majority of the New Order guys are in one alliance, they have some independent operators who fly under their flag, some of which are in NPC corps, the rest of which are in various player corps.

You are woefully ill-informed. There are MANY hidden Knights.
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#57 - 2013-07-12 16:33:47 UTC
Possibly hangers on using the New Order as an excuse for causing mayhem in the belts, I know quite a lot of the guys involved and as far as I know they're still operating mainly in Gallente and Caldari space. I shall ask later to see if they have official agents in Derelik.

In the beginning there was nothing, which exploded.

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Ace Uoweme
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#58 - 2013-07-12 16:37:01 UTC
Plastic Psycho wrote:
Ace Uoweme wrote:
Q 5 wrote:
If you want to troll next time write it up to sound more like a legit beeoach.

CCP needs to stop miner harassment by the new order for violation of the EULA is clearly in play here.
Miners getting ganked and blown up for simply enjoying themselves for something they pay for and have a right to be left along.


Simplest solution is: give them good o' boys guns!

They can police themselves.

But CCP isn't going to do that, because without something human to hunt bots, they'll overcome the game. But New Order isn't about fixing the bot problem, so they're just as bad as the bots.

Who needs guns? Ran across a nest of Retrievers last night, mining away. Their drones? Mosly EW drones - very few combat drones. Good mix - able to shut down a gank long enough for Concord to arrive, and able to deal with any plausible rats.

The only plausible threat would then be either bumping, or a very much more expensive gank boat / fleet. Dunno about anyone else, but I'm not throwing an AF or crusier way on a simple miner gank. Maybe if there were enough targets close together, I could see using a suicide disco BS. But how often does that chance come up?


Very few combat drones = hoping your tank survives, because there's 1 mid on a retriever designed for it's survey module. And depending on the system, and the usual ganker dessie with Ions, that's not long if he hits hard before EWAR intervenes. A typical Retriever has a tad over 2000 shields, which Ions slice through.

So efforts to "teach" miners about evading damage even falls short without the defenses and offenses.

_"In a world of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." _ ~George Orwell

Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#59 - 2013-07-12 16:39:29 UTC  |  Edited by: Jonah Gravenstein
Ajar Arjar wrote:

You are woefully ill-informed. There are MANY hidden Knights.

I'm not denying that there are Knights of the Order that aren't in CODE, or officially associated with them. I'm a regular user of the NO chatroom and a shareholder/occasional Knight myself.

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Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#60 - 2013-07-12 16:40:32 UTC
"RRRrrrr! CCP! Ban someone who did something I don't like! I can't be bothered to defend myself, I should be perfectly safe no matter where in highsec I choose to go afk! Ganking is griefing, Rrr, split up the servers into Felluca and Trammel!"

That's what I hear every time someone complains about ganking in highsec.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

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