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Requesting EvE Prisons for Scammer and Traitors!

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Harry Forever
Pandemic Horde Inc.
Pandemic Horde
#161 - 2013-07-12 15:54:13 UTC
Spankijs Omaristos wrote:
Harry Forever wrote:
I want a new game mechanic implemented however this may need to be discussed with a broader audience in GD first.
Its pretty simple, there should be a possibility to catch pods and bring them to an ingame Prison. Those Prisons should be Time Capsules where the catched player has to stay for some time. I would say 1 day up to 1 week


Edit: maybe they should still be able to do basic stuff like mining, lets say if they mine a certain amount for the guy who took them to prison, then they are free upfront



Dude, too much Ultima online?


was that in the game? if yes that would be awesome, who could know better whats needed then richard garriott himself

Harry Forever vs. Goonswarm
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#162 - 2013-07-12 15:58:21 UTC
Harry Forever wrote:
I want a new game mechanic implemented however this may need to be discussed with a broader audience in GD first.
Its pretty simple, there should be a possibility to catch pods and bring them to an ingame Prison. Those Prisons should be Time Capsules where the catched player has to stay for some time. I would say 1 day up to 1 week

various features could be implemented that catching other players do not get too easy. Maybe need of special modules, having at least 5-10 people involved in the capturing process, and a special prison fee

please add your ideas, this should bring consequences to the game for liars, traitors and scammers. I feel those are needed because they are missing at the moment!

Edit: maybe they should still be able to do basic stuff like mining, lets say if they mine a certain amount for the guy who took them to prison, then they are free upfront

Edit: the prison mechanic could also be implemented by a special voting system, maybe scammed people can go together and vote, however there would need to be a mechanic to identify scammed people, so you get a voting right comparable to killrights

Edit: maybe prison escape mechanics should be added as well, like people beeing able to free others from prison, maybe there also should be PvP player controlled prisons and PvE prisons controlled by the computer


EvE is that prison.

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Spankijs Omaristos
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#163 - 2013-07-12 15:59:52 UTC  |  Edited by: Spankijs Omaristos
Harry Forever wrote:
Spankijs Omaristos wrote:
Harry Forever wrote:
I want a new game mechanic implemented however this may need to be discussed with a broader audience in GD first.
Its pretty simple, there should be a possibility to catch pods and bring them to an ingame Prison. Those Prisons should be Time Capsules where the catched player has to stay for some time. I would say 1 day up to 1 week


Edit: maybe they should still be able to do basic stuff like mining, lets say if they mine a certain amount for the guy who took them to prison, then they are free upfront



Dude, too much Ultima online?


was that in the game? if yes that would be awesome, who could know better whats needed then richard garriott himself


Yep, Ultima Online had perfect jail system :)

Also, most private servers had jails where it was possible to get out by chopping wood/mining etc :)

Im not sure is it legit to post such links here, but here it goes - http://runuo.theabyss.eu/?jail
Milan Nantucket
Doomheim
#164 - 2013-07-12 16:06:56 UTC
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
Milan Nantucket wrote:


Maybe you don't know how scamming works....

1) Get a crappy alt
2) Spam all day
3) Some idiot falls for scam
4) Spam all day
5) Another idiot
6) Spam all day
7) another idiot
8) .... and so on and so forth
9) Biomass
10) Rinse and repeat

No undocking is nowhere in the list so no "game mechanic" is there for any "Retribution". Now the idea is putting in an actual risk for something that is well riskless.
I know how the scams work, although I can think of several "scammers" that would disagree with how you think they work. I'll even give you a couple of names of "scammers" that undock, Miilla and Erotica 1, both of which I am sure would love you to try and gain some retribution.

Scams only work because the "mark" is too stupid or greedy to read properly.


So your saying that those two own all the other accounts that don't bother undocking and hide behind their anonymity. I also don't consider Erotica a scammer as he/she tells you exactly what to do.

Retribution isn't gained when they undock and then redock. As i tried your suggestion and it's still kind of hard to pew pew inside a station.
Ace Uoweme
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#165 - 2013-07-12 16:07:06 UTC
Manfred Hideous wrote:
I also have hatred towards people who are mor successful than my scrub as... Wait, no I don't!


I played tougher games than EvE that has to hand hold even criminals to be a criminal, so put a fork in it, Francis.

Oh, precious, he goes straight to definition he doesn't understand even...the sandbox excuse!

Sandbox is also player content. That means if they want prisons with public stocks for criminals, hey, it's a sandbox game...right???

_"In a world of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." _ ~George Orwell
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#166 - 2013-07-12 16:07:37 UTC  |  Edited by: Andski
What you're asking for amounts to a vote to suspend somebody's account, and CCP will never give players that power, ever. Scamming doesn't need consequences because being scammed is a consequence of being stupid. Hope this helps.

Twitter: @EVEAndski

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths."    - Abrazzar
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#167 - 2013-07-12 16:10:54 UTC
Milan Nantucket wrote:
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
Milan Nantucket wrote:


Maybe you don't know how scamming works....

1) Get a crappy alt
2) Spam all day
3) Some idiot falls for scam
4) Spam all day
5) Another idiot
6) Spam all day
7) another idiot
8) .... and so on and so forth
9) Biomass
10) Rinse and repeat

No undocking is nowhere in the list so no "game mechanic" is there for any "Retribution". Now the idea is putting in an actual risk for something that is well riskless.
I know how the scams work, although I can think of several "scammers" that would disagree with how you think they work. I'll even give you a couple of names of "scammers" that undock, Miilla and Erotica 1, both of which I am sure would love you to try and gain some retribution.

Scams only work because the "mark" is too stupid or greedy to read properly.


So your saying that those two own all the other accounts that don't bother undocking and hide behind their anonymity. I also don't consider Erotica a scammer as he/she tells you exactly what to do.

Retribution isn't gained when they undock and then redock. As i tried your suggestion and it's still kind of hard to pew pew inside a station.

I don't consider Erotica as a scammer either, hence the quotation marks.

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Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#168 - 2013-07-12 16:13:53 UTC
Quote:
Sandbox is also player content. That means if they want prisons with public stocks for criminals, hey, it's a sandbox game...right???


Wow, you're even dumber than usual today.

No, you're wrong. Sandbox is player content.

What they are asking for is a CCP created solution to a "problem" that they just can't seem to get over.

They are asking for a developer solution to a player created problem.

If you want to "jail" them, fine, go do it yourself. But if you don't want to put any more work in than coming on the forums to whine, then no soup for you.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
Milan Nantucket
Doomheim
#169 - 2013-07-12 16:14:29 UTC
Andski wrote:
What you're asking for amounts to a vote to suspend somebody's account, and CCP will never give players that power, ever. Scamming doesn't need consequences because being scammed is a consequence of being stupid. Hope this helps.


If you really think about it lowsex is sorta like a prison. Get to -5 or lower you sorta stay there and grind sec status back or pay concord their bribe in tags/fee's to "get out of prison".

Some break out only to end up in a different one (the ones traveling through hi sec to some part of the universe with Faction Navy on their butts and random players).

I just think it would be cool to somehow put people in a system they can't get out of until the "sentence" is fulfilled.... mining still comes to mind as a good torture method Pirate
Harry Forever
Pandemic Horde Inc.
Pandemic Horde
#170 - 2013-07-12 16:17:13 UTC  |  Edited by: Harry Forever
Spankijs Omaristos wrote:
Harry Forever wrote:
Spankijs Omaristos wrote:
Harry Forever wrote:
I want a new game mechanic implemented however this may need to be discussed with a broader audience in GD first.
Its pretty simple, there should be a possibility to catch pods and bring them to an ingame Prison. Those Prisons should be Time Capsules where the catched player has to stay for some time. I would say 1 day up to 1 week


Edit: maybe they should still be able to do basic stuff like mining, lets say if they mine a certain amount for the guy who took them to prison, then they are free upfront



Dude, too much Ultima online?


was that in the game? if yes that would be awesome, who could know better whats needed then richard garriott himself


Yep, Ultima Online had perfect jail system :)

Also, most private servers had jails where it was possible to get out by chopping wood/mining etc :)

Im not sure is it legit to post such links here, but here it goes - http://runuo.theabyss.eu/?jail


:D this is the ultimate proof that we need it :DD

now its really looking bad for all those people telling me I'm stupid if the inventor of onlinegaming himself had the same idea years back :D

Harry Forever vs. Goonswarm
Milan Nantucket
Doomheim
#171 - 2013-07-12 16:17:15 UTC  |  Edited by: Milan Nantucket
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Quote:
Sandbox is also player content. That means if they want prisons with public stocks for criminals, hey, it's a sandbox game...right???


Wow, you're even dumber than usual today.

No, you're wrong. Sandbox is player content.

What they are asking for is a CCP created solution to a "problem" that they just can't seem to get over.

They are asking for a developer solution to a player created problem.

If you want to "jail" them, fine, go do it yourself. But if you don't want to put any more work in than coming on the forums to whine, then no soup for you.


CCP does it all the time... look at safeties and the easy button on "exploration".

Problem:Players somehow shoot things in high sec or take something that ain't theirs and they complained.
Solution: Safeties.

Problem: What is triangulation... i never passed maths so how can I explore if I can't understand probes or basic geometry.
Solution: Click this button and we find it for you.

Problem: People getting ganked by true gate camps.
Solution: Warp to 0 and jump freighters
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#172 - 2013-07-12 16:18:52 UTC
Milan Nantucket wrote:
If you really think about it lowsex is sorta like a prison. Get to -5 or lower you sorta stay there and grind sec status back or pay concord their bribe in tags/fee's to "get out of prison".


Low sec status doesn't actually prevent you from entering highsec, the faction navies only prevent you from getting too comfortable while you're there. And it doesn't prevent you from actually playing the game in any case like this "vote to ban" nonsense does.

Twitter: @EVEAndski

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths."    - Abrazzar
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#173 - 2013-07-12 16:22:23 UTC
Spankijs Omaristos wrote:
Yep, Ultima Online had perfect jail system :)

Also, most private servers had jails where it was possible to get out by chopping wood/mining etc :)

Im not sure is it legit to post such links here, but here it goes - http://runuo.theabyss.eu/?jail


The difference is that that was directly executed by GMs, not through player votes or whatever.

Twitter: @EVEAndski

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths."    - Abrazzar
Spankijs Omaristos
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#174 - 2013-07-12 16:26:14 UTC  |  Edited by: Spankijs Omaristos
Andski wrote:
Spankijs Omaristos wrote:
Yep, Ultima Online had perfect jail system :)

Also, most private servers had jails where it was possible to get out by chopping wood/mining etc :)

Im not sure is it legit to post such links here, but here it goes - http://runuo.theabyss.eu/?jail


The difference is that that was directly executed by GMs, not through player votes or whatever.


True:)

Player voting is a bad idea...
For example If I have 10-20 alts, I can Just throw 20 votes against someone, and no one will ever know :D That they belong to me :D
Estella Osoka
Cranky Bitches Who PMS
#175 - 2013-07-12 16:28:29 UTC
CONCORD makes it hard to move around in hisec if your sec status is low, but I'm sure that is what you meant. Faction Navies only care about your faction standings, and are laughingly ineffective.
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#176 - 2013-07-12 16:33:32 UTC  |  Edited by: Kaarous Aldurald
Spankijs Omaristos wrote:
Andski wrote:
Spankijs Omaristos wrote:
Yep, Ultima Online had perfect jail system :)

Also, most private servers had jails where it was possible to get out by chopping wood/mining etc :)

Im not sure is it legit to post such links here, but here it goes - http://runuo.theabyss.eu/?jail


The difference is that that was directly executed by GMs, not through player votes or whatever.


True:)

Player voting is a bad idea...
For example If I have 10-20 alts, I can Just throw 20 votes against someone, and no one will ever know :D That they belong to me :D


Strangely, in all my years of dickery in UO, I never managed to get this to happen to me.

But yes, player voting is a terrible idea. It would, not might, would be abused beyond belief, and would rapidly cause problems that make Jita Monument look like Candyland.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
Harry Forever
Pandemic Horde Inc.
Pandemic Horde
#177 - 2013-07-12 16:36:29 UTC  |  Edited by: Harry Forever
Andski wrote:
What you're asking for amounts to a vote to suspend somebody's account, and CCP will never give players that power, ever. Scamming doesn't need consequences because being scammed is a consequence of being stupid. Hope this helps.


omg, are you unable to read? I do not want to give the player access to suspend the account, whats up with you? read the thread dude, we want consequences for scammers, are you a baby? no consequences for nothing you do?

Harry Forever vs. Goonswarm
Harry Forever
Pandemic Horde Inc.
Pandemic Horde
#178 - 2013-07-12 16:38:42 UTC
Spankijs Omaristos wrote:
Andski wrote:
Spankijs Omaristos wrote:
Yep, Ultima Online had perfect jail system :)

Also, most private servers had jails where it was possible to get out by chopping wood/mining etc :)

Im not sure is it legit to post such links here, but here it goes - http://runuo.theabyss.eu/?jail


The difference is that that was directly executed by GMs, not through player votes or whatever.


True:)

Player voting is a bad idea...
For example If I have 10-20 alts, I can Just throw 20 votes against someone, and no one will ever know :D That they belong to me :D


the voting system sure needs to be connected to a game mechanic, like the killright is given

Harry Forever vs. Goonswarm
Elizabeth Aideron
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#179 - 2013-07-12 16:40:28 UTC
Harry Forever wrote:
Andski wrote:
What you're asking for amounts to a vote to suspend somebody's account, and CCP will never give players that power, ever. Scamming doesn't need consequences because being scammed is a consequence of being stupid. Hope this helps.


omg, are you unable to read? I do not want to give the player access to suspend the account, whats up with you? read the thread dude, we want consequences for scammers, are you a baby? no consequences for nothing you do?


putting someone in "prison" for the week is just suspending their account with a bit of embellishment
Harry Forever
Pandemic Horde Inc.
Pandemic Horde
#180 - 2013-07-12 16:42:48 UTC
Elizabeth Aideron wrote:
Harry Forever wrote:
Andski wrote:
What you're asking for amounts to a vote to suspend somebody's account, and CCP will never give players that power, ever. Scamming doesn't need consequences because being scammed is a consequence of being stupid. Hope this helps.


omg, are you unable to read? I do not want to give the player access to suspend the account, whats up with you? read the thread dude, we want consequences for scammers, are you a baby? no consequences for nothing you do?


putting someone in "prison" for the week is just suspending their account with a bit of embellishment


then let it be 1-24 hours, maybe the week is too long, I'm sure you babies can handle those consequences

Harry Forever vs. Goonswarm