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Requesting EvE Prisons for Scammer and Traitors!

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Harry Forever
Pandemic Horde Inc.
Pandemic Horde
#141 - 2013-07-12 15:32:49 UTC  |  Edited by: Harry Forever
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
Harry Forever wrote:
I'm right, I know I'm right and anybody that tells me that I'm not right is wrong and clearly an idiot, I shall block them because they're idiots and because they're wrong.

Pull your head out of your arse Harry, your idea is silly, you've been told it's silly by multiple people and yet you still believe that your suggestion has merit.


stop adding your words to my quotes, honestly, don't you have anything better to do?

silly is not an agrument, but keep trying to search for one, if there is any
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
#142 - 2013-07-12 15:32:58 UTC
I doubt we'll ever see a player jail because it would require a court. Without due process it could become arbitrary and there would be trolls using it as a weapon, kind of like the days of "aggro fu" before it was possible to blue a wreck and before crimewatch.


What would work better is a kind of reputation tracking system similar to the way ebay does it.

Bring back DEEEEP Space!

darmwand
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#143 - 2013-07-12 15:34:32 UTC
Harry Forever wrote:
I'm sure the scam tactics can be put into a mechanic


I'm curious, could you make an example? As in "you could detect scam X by checking if somebody does Y and Z"?

"The pen is mightier than the sword if the sword is very short, and the pen is very sharp."

darmwand
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#144 - 2013-07-12 15:35:27 UTC
Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:

What would work better is a kind of reputation tracking system similar to the way ebay does it.


Something like bounties?

"The pen is mightier than the sword if the sword is very short, and the pen is very sharp."

Harry Forever
Pandemic Horde Inc.
Pandemic Horde
#145 - 2013-07-12 15:36:19 UTC
Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:
I doubt we'll ever see a player jail because it would require a court. Without due process it could become arbitrary and there would be trolls using it as a weapon, kind of like the days of "aggro fu" before it was possible to blue a wreck and before crimewatch.


What would work better is a kind of reputation tracking system similar to the way ebay does it.


yea also not bad, I still find the prison thing very cool because of what it could add to the game, there could be PvE prisons and PvP prisons, maybe also a prison escape mechanic not sure
Ace Uoweme
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#146 - 2013-07-12 15:36:51 UTC
Manfred Hideous wrote:
We have lockdown. It's when you lose your staging system and are suddenly impoverished because of the isk you had tied up in those assets. :)


Pfft that's nothing.

ISK in a game where you can just more of it, breeds the arrogance seen around here with the Goons. Free 5 man accounts for those who kiss enough butt.

Risks vs Rewards need to feel the risk, not just have endless rewards because they can buy replacements.

Gatecampers doing illegal actions, get a posse together, round them up and put the sleeze bags in jail. Or better, public stocks, so we can throw space junk their way. Idea

_"In a world of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." _ ~George Orwell

Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#147 - 2013-07-12 15:36:58 UTC  |  Edited by: Jonah Gravenstein
Harry Forever wrote:
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
Harry Forever wrote:
I'm right, I know I'm right and anybody that tells me that I'm not right is wrong and clearly an idiot, I shall block them because they're idiots and because they're wrong.

Pull your head out of your arse Harry, your idea is silly, you've been told it's silly by multiple people and yet you still believe that your suggestion has merit.


stop adding your words to my quotes, honestly, don't you have anything better to do?

silly is not an agrument, but keep trying to search for one, if there is any
I'm not adding words, I'm actually removing them and then distilling your meaningless drivel down into its purest form.

In fact I've managed to summarise about 90% of your posts in this thread into less than 40 words.

I see that you've still failed to block me, even though you said you'd done it several pages ago (on page 2 in fact), here's a hint click on my name to the left and select hide posts, it's not that hard.

In the beginning there was nothing, which exploded.

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Harry Forever
Pandemic Horde Inc.
Pandemic Horde
#148 - 2013-07-12 15:37:12 UTC
darmwand wrote:
Harry Forever wrote:
I'm sure the scam tactics can be put into a mechanic


I'm curious, could you make an example? As in "you could detect scam X by checking if somebody does Y and Z"?


just lookup marging trading scam all that kind of stuff
Harry Forever
Pandemic Horde Inc.
Pandemic Horde
#149 - 2013-07-12 15:39:22 UTC
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
Harry Forever wrote:
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
Harry Forever wrote:
I'm right, I know I'm right and anybody that tells me that I'm not right is wrong and clearly an idiot, I shall block them because they're idiots and because they're wrong.

Pull your head out of your arse Harry, your idea is silly, you've been told it's silly by multiple people and yet you still believe that your suggestion has merit.


stop adding your words to my quotes, honestly, don't you have anything better to do?

silly is not an agrument, but keep trying to search for one, if there is any
I'm not adding words, I'm actually removing them and then distilling your meaningless drivel down into its purest form.


how many posts did you have so far? not a single argument, funny

wherelse I hade a lot already, what do you think that tells us? hmmm...
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
#150 - 2013-07-12 15:39:45 UTC
darmwand wrote:
Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:

What would work better is a kind of reputation tracking system similar to the way ebay does it.


Something like bounties?




If the bounty system had some means of tracking or displaying the reason for the bounty in such manner that when placing a bounty, a list of reasons becomes possible. It would help actually because whenever you see people with a bounty we would wonder why, especially if it was a huge bounty, like "wow, what did that dude do?".

Was it for not honoring ransoms? Was it for gratuitous podding? Noob harvesting? Or was is market scamming? Perhaps it was for being too good at the market, or PVP? Maybe loot stealing or corp theft?

Presently anybody can put a bounty on anybody, but there's no way to track the reason for it. That reason can be important.

Bring back DEEEEP Space!

darmwand
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#151 - 2013-07-12 15:41:13 UTC
Harry Forever wrote:

just lookup marging trading scam all that kind of stuff


But that's a perfect example for something that's a valid game mechanic, margin trading is normal for honest traders.

"The pen is mightier than the sword if the sword is very short, and the pen is very sharp."

Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#152 - 2013-07-12 15:43:26 UTC  |  Edited by: Jonah Gravenstein
Harry Forever wrote:


wherelse I hade a lot already, what do you think that tells us? hmmm...

Where? point out one single valid argument you have made that stands a chance of convincing people that your idea has any merit whatsoever.

Quality beats quantity, so far you've got the quantity bit right, now try for some quality.

In the beginning there was nothing, which exploded.

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Feyd's Survival Pack

darmwand
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#153 - 2013-07-12 15:44:26 UTC
Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:

If the bounty system had some means of tracking or displaying the reason for the bounty in such manner that when placing a bounty, a list of reasons becomes possible.


Now that would be nice indeed and a very "EVE-ish" way to enable players to reduce the risk of being scammed - not by preventing scams but by giving the players more information on their business partners.

"The pen is mightier than the sword if the sword is very short, and the pen is very sharp."

Manfred Hideous
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#154 - 2013-07-12 15:44:35 UTC
Ace Uoweme wrote:
Manfred Hideous wrote:
We have lockdown. It's when you lose your staging system and are suddenly impoverished because of the isk you had tied up in those assets. :)


Pfft that's nothing.

ISK in a game where you can just more of it, breeds the arrogance seen around here with the Goons. Free 5 man accounts for those who kiss enough butt.

Risks vs Rewards need to feel the risk, not just have endless rewards because they can buy replacements.

Gatecampers doing illegal actions, get a posse together, round them up and put the sleeze bags in jail. Or better, public stocks, so we can throw space junk their way. Idea


I also have hatred towards people who are mor successful than my scrub as... Wait, no I don't!

Eve is a sandbox game. I'm having difficulty seeing the point of view of anyone who thinks that part of Eve should change. I personally think scamming has been nerfed too hard in my time here. I've never scammed or been a victim of scam AFAIK. Probably because I read contracts and don't invest in stuff like Titans4U. Anyone who falls for those deserves to lose ISK and I include myself if it ever does happen to me.

You can do something about gatecamps, gankers, and the like. Get a group of like-minded people together and give something back to them. What you are saying is you \want CCP to give you protection from meanies instead of learning how to fight in your schoolyard.

TL;DR: people who make threads like this are complaining about one of the core features of the game and are probably not good fits FOR this game.

Or trolling, which is good fun. :)
Ace Uoweme
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#155 - 2013-07-12 15:47:34 UTC
Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:
darmwand wrote:
Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:

What would work better is a kind of reputation tracking system similar to the way ebay does it.


Something like bounties?




If the bounty system had some means of tracking or displaying the reason for the bounty in such manner that when placing a bounty, a list of reasons becomes possible. It would help actually because whenever you see people with a bounty we would wonder why, especially if it was a huge bounty, like "wow, what did that dude do?".

Was it for not honoring ransoms? Was it for gratuitous podding? Noob harvesting? Or was is market scamming? Perhaps it was for being too good at the market, or PVP? Maybe loot stealing or corp theft?

Presently anybody can put a bounty on anybody, but there's no way to track the reason for it. That reason can be important.


A purpose.

1000000000000000 alts running around with 100,000 ISK bounties on their heads for nothing but asking for help in even the help channel, does not make a good bounty system.

When folks don't bother killing folks with 200,000,000 ISK bounties, the system is broken. Such folks (like MarkeeDragon) get them due to celeb status alone. While the real criminal low lifes hide with 20,000,000 ISK bounties in a sea of other 20,000,000 ISK thugs, and still gatecamping AFK. Roll

_"In a world of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." _ ~George Orwell

Harry Forever
Pandemic Horde Inc.
Pandemic Horde
#156 - 2013-07-12 15:47:51 UTC
darmwand wrote:
Harry Forever wrote:

just lookup marging trading scam all that kind of stuff


But that's a perfect example for something that's a valid game mechanic, margin trading is normal for honest traders.


scamming with it is not honest
Manfred Hideous
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#157 - 2013-07-12 15:48:23 UTC
Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:


What would work better is a kind of reputation tracking system similar to the way ebay does it.


There's no way an alliance of thousands can manipulated down/up votes. Nope, not a chance.

In fact, this system would be a great idea for one reason: After the crybabies were downvoted to being able to be attacked, they'd either have to stay docked, quit, or become even more victimized.

Put this in the medium things dev post. I like it Twisted
Spankijs Omaristos
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#158 - 2013-07-12 15:50:49 UTC
Harry Forever wrote:
I want a new game mechanic implemented however this may need to be discussed with a broader audience in GD first.
Its pretty simple, there should be a possibility to catch pods and bring them to an ingame Prison. Those Prisons should be Time Capsules where the catched player has to stay for some time. I would say 1 day up to 1 week


Edit: maybe they should still be able to do basic stuff like mining, lets say if they mine a certain amount for the guy who took them to prison, then they are free upfront



Dude, too much Ultima online?
Manfred Hideous
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#159 - 2013-07-12 15:53:04 UTC
Harry Forever wrote:
darmwand wrote:
Harry Forever wrote:

just lookup marging trading scam all that kind of stuff


But that's a perfect example for something that's a valid game mechanic, margin trading is normal for honest traders.


scamming with it is not honest


Just because you're greedy AND dumb doesn't make it scamming. The minimum buy number is easy enough to see. You saw a ridiculous buy order and got a woody because you saw easy isk. Use your brain.
darmwand
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#160 - 2013-07-12 15:53:57 UTC
Harry Forever wrote:

scamming with it is not honest


True, but there is no way to tell whether an order has been put up with the intention to scam or not.

"The pen is mightier than the sword if the sword is very short, and the pen is very sharp."