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Patch notes for July 9?

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None ofthe Above
#21 - 2013-07-10 18:34:26 UTC
CCP Fozzie wrote:
Rengerel en Distel wrote:
CCP Fozzie wrote:
That patch contained back-end support for the alliance tournament management tools. We generally don't do patch notes for changes to aspects of our code that are not exposed to the players in any way.


Wouldn't it be better to just put that in patch notes anyways so we don't have to have a post like this every time you guys don't? You end up telling us what was patched in the thread every time, why not save the hassle and just make the patch notes?


We could also just stop responding to these threads, even easier. Lol


While very droll (I did laugh), not sure I agree that it is easier or good for the game. One could as truthfully say "we could stop paying the hosting bills and shut the game down, even easier."

A quick note to say your adding internal use tools for alliance tournament or whatever it is you are doing is not so unreasonable a request is it? Why leave us in the dark when it's not hard to write a line or two about the update, even if there is no visible impact other than the update itself?

Patch notes even on patches like this is good policy, IMHO.

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Almethea
Trans Stellar Express
#22 - 2013-07-10 18:46:11 UTC
CCP Fozzie wrote:
We could also just stop responding to these threads, even easier. Lol


tell us more about your marketing skillz

there's so many thing to fix in eve.... and they fix forum ! GJ! but ok i like it !

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Markku Laaksonen
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#23 - 2013-07-10 19:50:11 UTC
Almethea wrote:
CCP Fozzie wrote:
We could also just stop responding to these threads, even easier. Lol


tell us more about your marketing skillz


tell us more about how you're going unsub all your accounts if they don't tell you every single little thing they do

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Alona Gene
Doomheim
#24 - 2013-07-10 20:57:07 UTC
CCP Fozzie wrote:
Rengerel en Distel wrote:
CCP Fozzie wrote:
That patch contained back-end support for the alliance tournament management tools. We generally don't do patch notes for changes to aspects of our code that are not exposed to the players in any way.


Wouldn't it be better to just put that in patch notes anyways so we don't have to have a post like this every time you guys don't? You end up telling us what was patched in the thread every time, why not save the hassle and just make the patch notes?


We could also just stop responding to these threads, even easier. Lol


Seriously, I get more patch note description from Microsoft... though I pay more per year for EVE.

I know you guys work very hard, we all do. You can get to show it off by pridefully displaying it in the patch notes!

If you want to be taken seriously, as programmers, as cutting-edge dev teams, patch notes are part of the basics, along with customer service. Even if this is clearly a sarcastic comment, it could easily be bad PR for customer service. Though, having a little blurb "We optimized xyz for the XI Alliance Tournament!" would be positive PR. (Twitch TV?)

Clearly people who buy your software care about the product and wish to be informed about its updates.
That's very high job praise!
naed21
Iron Knights
#25 - 2013-07-11 02:35:47 UTC
CCP Fozzie wrote:
Rengerel en Distel wrote:
CCP Fozzie wrote:
That patch contained back-end support for the alliance tournament management tools. We generally don't do patch notes for changes to aspects of our code that are not exposed to the players in any way.


Wouldn't it be better to just put that in patch notes anyways so we don't have to have a post like this every time you guys don't? You end up telling us what was patched in the thread every time, why not save the hassle and just make the patch notes?


We could also just stop responding to these threads, even easier. Lol


I like it even better when changes that aren't included in the patch notes have unintended consequences...

My personal favorite was when they patched wh pushing (You pushed the wh if you were close enough to it) and then made them immovable objects of infinite mass that would send any ship that warped to zero hundreds of km away.
Almethea
Trans Stellar Express
#26 - 2013-07-11 05:01:37 UTC
Markku Laaksonen wrote:
Almethea wrote:
CCP Fozzie wrote:
We could also just stop responding to these threads, even easier. Lol


tell us more about your marketing skillz


tell us more about how you're going unsub all your accounts if they don't tell you every single little thing they do


wait you read something about unsub in my comment? tell us more about how you're 15y pimpled ccp fanboy

there's so many thing to fix in eve.... and they fix forum ! GJ! but ok i like it !

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CCP Fozzie
C C P
C C P Alliance
#27 - 2013-07-12 09:48:03 UTC  |  Edited by: CCP Fozzie
All jokes aside I do completely understand the desire to have notes for ll these patches.
The truth is that we do try to have some patch notes for every client patch, even if some of them have to be vague because we're patching something you're not supposed to know details about like dev tools.

If you see a patch with no notes it's pretty safe to assume that the content is not player facing, but we still want to be minimizing those since not everyone who gets confused by them will read a thread like this.

So we can't promise the detail some of you might want for every change, but we're working on at least always giving you a note like:
"We changed some internal tools."

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Abrazzar
Vardaugas Family
#28 - 2013-07-12 10:08:02 UTC
How about: "This patch was intentional and not just a hiccup."

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#29 - 2013-07-12 11:47:59 UTC
Dave Stark wrote:
CCP Fozzie wrote:
We could also just stop responding to these threads, even easier. Lol


except we all know it's easier to tell us (or even just put the notes up) than it is to lock the resulting 400 threads because you didn't tell us.


Hmm. I'm only seeing the one thread.
symolan
BamBam Inc.
#30 - 2013-07-12 12:44:06 UTC
CCP Fozzie wrote:
Rengerel en Distel wrote:
CCP Fozzie wrote:
That patch contained back-end support for the alliance tournament management tools. We generally don't do patch notes for changes to aspects of our code that are not exposed to the players in any way.


Wouldn't it be better to just put that in patch notes anyways so we don't have to have a post like this every time you guys don't? You end up telling us what was patched in the thread every time, why not save the hassle and just make the patch notes?


We could also just stop responding to these threads, even easier. Lol


yeaaah, but then you'd have to start working :P
Hannott Thanos
Squadron 15
#31 - 2013-07-12 15:37:34 UTC
symolan wrote:
CCP Fozzie wrote:
Rengerel en Distel wrote:
CCP Fozzie wrote:
That patch contained back-end support for the alliance tournament management tools. We generally don't do patch notes for changes to aspects of our code that are not exposed to the players in any way.


Wouldn't it be better to just put that in patch notes anyways so we don't have to have a post like this every time you guys don't? You end up telling us what was patched in the thread every time, why not save the hassle and just make the patch notes?


We could also just stop responding to these threads, even easier. Lol


yeaaah, but then you'd have to start working :P

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Alona Gene
Doomheim
#32 - 2013-07-13 04:13:05 UTC
CCP Fozzie wrote:
All jokes aside I do completely understand the desire to have notes for ll these patches.
The truth is that we do try to have some patch notes for every client patch, even if some of them have to be vague because we're patching something you're not supposed to know details about like dev tools.

If you see a patch with no notes it's pretty safe to assume that the content is not player facing, but we still want to be minimizing those since not everyone who gets confused by them will read a thread like this.

So we can't promise the detail some of you might want for every change, but we're working on at least always giving you a note like:
"We changed some internal tools."


I would very much like that.
Even if they are back end, or just stuff you use, it's still great to hear it! :)
CCP Explorer
C C P
C C P Alliance
#33 - 2013-07-13 14:40:42 UTC
Kali Maat wrote:
Tau Cabalander wrote:
CCP doesn't tell us about DUST514 patches either.

it available for free to the open internet my friend.
https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=740482
but hey it's dust.. so it's just buried somewhere in the general discussion..
When we patch the EVE Client due to DUST 514 updates we say something about it on the EVE side but the DUST patchnotes are on the DUST side..

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