Missions & Complexes

OK, if people are interested in jamming the Basilisks belonging to the ISN, DIN, or whomever is griefing the incursions here is some math.

Assume that the Mom fleet has a Proteus CS off grid giving full boosts.
Assume the Basilisk pilot has perfect Grav sensor skills.

That means the Basilisk, without an ECCM mod, has a sensor strength of 40.3
If it has a single ECCM in the mids, that stacks up to 75.5

Now let's look at a BlackBird, with a "throwaway" alt of Level IV Caldari cruiser, and Level IV Signal Dispersion, and Level III Electronic warfare (need for the low slot mods)

The fit below yields a sensor jamming strength of 11.04, with the same perfect skilled Proteus off grid.
3 jamming mods on a sensor strength of 75.5 has a 37.8 % chance of success.
6 jamming mods on a sensor strength of 75.5 has a 61.3 % chance of success.

So if you want to stop these clowns, you will need about 30 blackbirds, in perfect co-ordination, to have a relatively decent chance of jamming enough logi's to have the rats inflict enough damage to make these guys think twice.

[Blackbird, Stop the Griefers]
'Hypnos' Signal Distortion Amplifier I
'Hypnos' Signal Distortion Amplifier I
'Hypnos' Signal Distortion Amplifier I

BZ-5 Neutralizing Spatial Destabilizer ECM
BZ-5 Neutralizing Spatial Destabilizer ECM
BZ-5 Neutralizing Spatial Destabilizer ECM
BZ-5 Neutralizing Spatial Destabilizer ECM
BZ-5 Neutralizing Spatial Destabilizer ECM
BZ-5 Neutralizing Spatial Destabilizer ECM

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Check out the comment with the perfect Proteus CS off grid boosting the blackbirds.

Yeah, you are right.
Sorry to be snarky.

It should be more clear.

you could instead, i dont know, stop whining about people actually running incursions the way they were meant to be run?

B... Bu... But risk free isk printing.

+1

I love incursions, they were a great addition to the game. But the way CCP made them farmable is really what causes the problem, not what DIN or ISN or anyone else does. I think you should pretty much HAVE to pop the mom as soon as it pops up, and perhaps the MOM site itself should have different rules than other incursion site ie the MOM site should incourage "cross-community cooperation" rather than competition like the other sites do.

The other sites rewards the fleet that does the most DPS, maybe popping the mom should just reward everyone who did damage to it while being on grid for at least 10 minutes before it pops.

That's just brain storming and perhaps not very good lol. But I've always thought the farm-ability of incursions is a problem.

The problems with using Tornado's are several, including cost of ship/ mod's. and SP requirements, and the quantity of ships required.

Assume for a moment that skill training times nor ship costs are not an issue.

A poorly skilled Tornado pilot can dish out a little less than 10K alpha, a well-skilled more.
So let's call it 10K/ ship.

Most BS's in the shield fleets run in the 2-4 billion range, including hull cost.
You can expect 1.0-1.5 billion in loot to drop from that 4.0 billion ISK ship, less obviously for the cheaper versions.
So that mitigates the losses.

To take down a HQ tanked shield BS is going to need at least 10, more likely 12 Tornado's.
So if you roll in with 30 Tornado's, you can expect to take out 3 BS's, which does not slow down the HQ fleet at all.

If you focused the same Tornado's on the logi's, you would have a much better outcome, but due to sig radius, tracking, etc, you are still looking at 5-6 Tornado's/ logi to safely pop one.

That means the 30 Tornado's could take out probably 5 logistics.
Is that enough to reduce the repping power enough to cause the Sansha rats to do massive damage to the mom griefer fleet? I don't think it is enough, as the griefers can simply add an extra 5 logi's to the ship complement before going in.

Now, if 30 Blackbirds successfully jammed out 10-12 logi's for 10-15 seconds, would that ultimately inflict more damage on the griefer fleet?

This is all just supposition and theory-crafting until it can be tested, and that likely means a big ass session on Sisi with 75 pilots (target fleet plus jamming/ ganking fleet). Frankly, I don't think there are enough people motivated to do that.

And lastly, this is not about tears. The vast majority of the incursion community affected by these jerks have no wish to harass anyone. If the ISN/ DIN/ TVP groups want to hammer away at each other in the HQ's and leave the Mom alone, cool, more power to them. But these guys are killing our income streams in a big way, just because they can. Time will tell if players are motivated enough to try to stop them.

Ah an arguement as old as online gaming. I remember an event back in EQ where most people wanted to farm special mobs that would pop up but it went completely counter to the spirit of the event, they would scream and holler and promise vile horrific death to anyone that dared do the event as intended.

Only difference is that in eve you have to power to enforce your view on how the incursions should work like this fellow seems to be trying to.

Its whoever, not whomever.

Is the plan not to use ecm on the logi, so the other guys die?... would that not mean the logi are the once not dying?