Player Features and Ideas Discussion

I get two things out of this:

1. You do NOT know if the person is AFK, so stop whining about them being there.

2. Remove local. It doesn't hamper the WH dwellers. You actually have to work for your Intel.


If you want to go AFK while you have the Eve client up - Go for it.

You sound like you are advocating for "Blob or GTFO".

PvE assets should not operate without risk.
In null, they too often do.

Guerilla tactics versus brute force

Brute force is required to threaten structures.
In order for this to occur, the opposing side must be unwilling or unable to respond in kind.
The bigger side wins by default, when large enough groups force an averaging out of pilot skills.

I hope I don't need to explain why this is bad for the game, if we limit things to only this.

Guerilla tactics must rely on stealth and other forms of deception, since they are defined by a lack of brute force capability.

With local intel's absolute reporting and speed, only another absolute can counter it.
Since we are dealing with intel, and one absolute has forcibly revealed pilot presence, despite precautions such as cloaking being used, the other quality of cloaking is boosted to an absolute in order to compensate.

No secrecy, but absolute location concealment.

I'll trade you your absolute intel for that absolute location concealment, deal?

Oh, I think it would be fantastic for gameplay all around, honestly.

Specifically, as a miner in null? I would be given opportunity to compete and think in ways not possible currently.

The reward indexes alone would shift higher, in response to added potential risk.

I have linked threads on this already, I believe, for how I would work this, and I believe they create a balance of gameplay both sides of this balance could excel at.

For PvE specifically in sov held systems though? Big win.
There would now be the potential for a guerilla strike, but that would be an uphill effort the whole way for a hostile.
But, it WOULD be possible....

I've edited a lot of posts in this thread, and there are probably thirty or more originals that I corrected spelling, changed words on to better portray what I was trying to express, and to generally add more to a post. Yes I edited out that word when I found it because that is not what I intended to say. As I stated If I personally used those words, I apologize because I did not mean them in that manner. I should have said Where else have I used those words... Instead of Where have I used those words... I apologize here for the misunderstanding. And I'm not going to edit that post...


As for the before you were born part... Not likely since forums didn't exist when I was born... Little lone before I was born.

Local does not just affect ratters. It affects scouting, which in turn makes it affect logistics and fleet battles and pretty much majority of the nullsec content.

Because of Local, scouts can see a moving fleet and direct another/sound the alarm and have one form up. Nullsec is big and its connections are static - it's not W-space where you can control exits and call the system secured. Those battles mean content, precisely the sort of content a lot of players like about null life - being a part of a big fleet and fighting other big fleets.

A suggestion was made elsewhere to replace Local in null with Constellation. It would still provide intel, just not that perfect.

First to answer Infinite Force...

Yes I know they are AFK. You can determine this by deductive reasoning. First not many people play the game for 20 hours straight. Those that do play the game 20 hours straight have an objective or goal to achieve for this type of marathon playing. Nothing is gained by warping around cloaked in a system for 20 hours straight which is what you are suggesting this person did (if indeed they were actually "playing"). Even conversations would wear thin with corpmates after 20 hours. BTW this person was not in an alliance and was in a corporation with three members. Additionally when attempting to bait this person the first time it took them 3 hours to find my miner. When attempting to bait them the second time two days later it took them 6 hours to find my miner. How do I know they found my miner, they told me so in local chat. If it takes someone 6 hours to search the entire system of annons and belts they are doing something wrong. Finally when down time came, they did not log off before the server shutdown instead letting the server boot them out. I was back on within seconds of the server coming back up. They did not log back in until at least 3 hours later. This is consistent over the five days they camped this system, with only once that they were not logged in when the server shutdown. No one thing here suggests they are AFK as each can be explained away, but the combination of them yells the fact they spent hours AFK in the system while cloaked as this is the only reasonable explanation for the sheer number of hours they spent logged into the game sitting in that system over those five days. Were they AFK for all those hours, of course not. Were they AFK for the majority of them, yes.

Now on to Trii Seo...

Local does do everything you mention and more. What people as advocating is that you have to work to get that intel, instead of just having it provided to you on a silver platter just because you happen to be in that system. Remove local and you will have to have dedicated scouts on the gates to continue and report intel. In fact the intel would become better because the scout would have not only the pilot(s) name, but a visual on the pilot(s) so they can report ship type. Local chat does not provide that information. The downside is not many would want to do that job. At least not enough people to provide the current level of intel local chat provides by default. In short you are saying the complete removal of Local chat will be bad, and I laid out another reason why that would be the case.

So we are given more suggestions by Tril... Have a Constellation chat instead of a system/local chat. CCP already does something similar to this with incursions. It should be easier to implement then my suggestion of CCP Communication modules for the TCU or other static soveritigy item in the system that turns on or off Local chat..



Thank you for the link. I was about to add more walls of text to lay out the pros and cons of that new suggestion, but this link already does that.

This.

Can't know it and shouldn't be given a mechanic to know it either.

I killed 4 rattlesnakes last night while being afk cloaked.

THIS IS AN ISSUE!!! If people start killing others while being afk and cloaked the game is just broken!!


/troll

Also, you've yet to tell me why anyone being afk for any amount of time is actually an issue

because as far as I can tell, it isn't. They can't do anything by definition, so why are we even talking about it