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HighSec Ore depletion

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Iosue
League of Gentlemen
The Initiative.
#21 - 2013-07-08 14:54:21 UTC
sounds like an old ice miner that's having problems adjusting to asteroids.
Beckie DeLey
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#22 - 2013-07-08 17:15:08 UTC
So you are playing a game that isn't fun for you, that you can't afford and don't have time for?

Maybe the game doesn't need to change for you but you need to find a different game?

Crazy, i know. Completely out of the box. You are probably wishing right now that you thought of that.

You are very welcome.

Bye.

My siren's name is Brick and she is the prettiest.

Salpad
Carebears with Attitude
#23 - 2013-07-08 17:31:19 UTC
Knights Armament wrote:
I have two accounts, and I mine on both of them. I pay for the game with plex, as I am unemployed and can't afford to pay with cash. I have to mine in order to do this, however the ore in high sec space is limited, 19-40k veldspar roids make it tedious to micro manage two accounts, and continue studying or reading a book.

I want to go afk, and mine, mining isn't something I do for enjoyment, its something I do to keep my eve accounts going, making it less enjoyable by reducing ore amounts in high sec doesn't entice me to purchase more plex, or keep an account going, especially when the game interferes with my studies.

Basically my ultimatum to CCP is increase ore amounts, or I quit.


Your only option is to move to less crowded space, which doesn't necessarily mean leaving high-sec, and then go for asteroid scan sites, rather than asteroid belts. In scan sites, the ore is concentrated into fewer but larger asteroids.

They usde to be called gravimetric sites, and you had to use probe scanning to find them, but now they automatically show up on your scanner as soon as you open the right scan window.
Gizznitt Malikite
Agony Unleashed
Agony Empire
#24 - 2013-07-08 19:43:24 UTC
1.) There are many ways of making isk in this game, most of them more profitable than mining veldespar in highsec.
Examples:
Manufacturing: (especially t2 MFG) can easily earn you 10k in profit, per line, per hour. That's 2.4m isk per day, per toon. And 10k is a pretty lowball number 75m per month per toon (most serious MFGers make closer to 100k per line, and can buy a plex a month on profits of a single toon).

PI: By sticking your head into lowsec, and finding a POCO with a lowish tax rate (5% or better), you can make 10 tier 2 products (5+k each) per hour, per planet, per toon. That's another 150+m isk per month per toon. Use 3x Toons on your account, and you're very close to paying for a plex.

And these are the "mostly passive" income streams that don't require enormous skills, nor enormous investments. Supplement your afk mining with this, and mine in "difficult to destroy" ships (even if it is less efficient until you get blown up), and you can "make enough" to fund your accounts.

2.) Really? Threatening to leave the game, when you are essentially free-loading? That's like my ex girlfriend threatening to move out if I didn't cook her dinner, and when she wasn't paying rent anyway! Sure, there were some benefits to having her around, but it's not like I would be in a worse position once she left!

3.) I fully support any changes CCP makes to improve the game in general, and if that makes your life more difficult for a small minority, so what!
Ireland VonVicious
Vicious Trading Company
#25 - 2013-07-08 21:27:04 UTC
Derath Ellecon wrote:
Ireland VonVicious wrote:
You don't buy plex with cash.

You want ccp to make it easier for you to play for free.

Your buying of plex for isk to sub the accounts makes plex cost more for the rest of us.

Many of employed players only have one account but you want to have 2 at no cost.

You pay nothing to ccp so you are not what they would consider a valued customer.

Your fix it or I quit is a big joke. Stupid or trolling seems to be the only case.

I try not to come off to mean most of the time but this is some seriously ***** for the purpose of bitching thread.

Just delete your account and realize that no skill is undervalued compared to any other, Your skill is worth what other people will pay and not a cent more.

You could make a case for the entire work force is under valued due to money making too much money devaluing labor as a whole. (( But that is best case ))

You want to play afk on top of all this. Roll


There is so much fail in this post.

1. His 2 accounts of plex will not change the cost. The large part of plex cost is all the uber rich hoarding them anyhow.
2. CCP LOVE's people who pay with plex. They provide the market for people who buy plex with real money. PLEX is the HIGHEST price a person can pay for a monthly sub in terms of real life money. So CCP makes MORE money off PLEX'd accounts than people who pay normally.


People will buy it anyway. The cheaper it gets the more likely someone else will buy it.

The less isk a new player gets for the cash the more they are likely to buy. (( to a point ))

They make the money when the plex is bought for cash not when that same plex is bought for isk.

That just gives way to threads of people crying about plex prices and the release of old plex or a new plex deal where they sell the plex for less cash than normal.

What ever your view on the circle of plex I'm sure ccp goal is not to cater to the people who don't spend real life money to play the game. If you can't see that, no help to be had.
Derath Ellecon
Lotek Academy
#26 - 2013-07-08 21:57:49 UTC
Ireland VonVicious wrote:
People will buy it anyway. The cheaper it gets the more likely someone else will buy it.

The less isk a new player gets for the cash the more they are likely to buy. (( to a point ))

They make the money when the plex is bought for cash not when that same plex is bought for isk.

That just gives way to threads of people crying about plex prices and the release of old plex or a new plex deal where they sell the plex for less cash than normal.

What ever your view on the circle of plex I'm sure ccp goal is not to cater to the people who don't spend real life money to play the game. If you can't see that, no help to be had.


Sadly your replies make little sense. Some of them do but most don't. Yes CCP makes money when people buy (lets call them GTC to keep things straight) for real $$. People buy these GTC primarily to sell for isk in game.

So without a market in game, there would be little incentive for people to spend $$$ on a GTC. These people like the cost of PLEX to be as high as possible, as it gives them the best bang for the buck (within reason, too high and people may stop buying them in game). But more importantly, if the isk price of a PLEX is too low, there is less of an incentive for someone to spend $$$ on a GTC.

In game PLEX can be used for several things.

1. character resculpting
2. character transfer
3. Aur conversion
4. Special events (fanfest HD feed etc)
5. Monthly subscription.

I think it is safe to say that of those 5 the bulk of PLEX is consumed for monthly subscriptions.

When someone consumes a PLEX for a monthly subscription, they have indirectly paid the HIGHEST price for that monthly subscription. This means CCP makes the HIGHEST profit margin off people who PLEX their accounts.

And they absolutely cater to this mentality. With things like the Power of 2 promotions (get an additional account for PLEX) etc.

In fact, the only thing CCP likes better than people who use PLEX to play EVE, are people like this
ISD Cura Ursus
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
ISD Alliance
#27 - 2013-07-09 16:05:43 UTC
1 post deleted containing a personal attack.

It is possible, to denigrate a set of ides without attacking a person directly.


Please keep personal attacks out of the discussion.

ISD Cura Ursus

Lieutenant Commander

Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs)

Interstellar Services Department

DeAira Skord
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#28 - 2013-07-10 02:47:16 UTC
Cut your accounts down to 1 and work a couple hours at McDonalds every month to pay for your PLEX.

That seems to be the most efficient use of your valuable time.

suid0
Pandemic Horde Inc.
Pandemic Horde
#29 - 2013-07-10 08:16:18 UTC
Knights Armament wrote:

Basically my ultimatum to CCP is increase ore amounts, or I quit.


Don't let the door hit you on the way out...


Also, and not a personal attack, but you should probably unsub and go find a job anyway... then resub. You are clearly not using your energy and time in a useful manner.

the entire enemy support fleet is dead except for one interdictor a titan could easily finish off with drones  - Commander Ted

Xereth Ohmiras
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#30 - 2013-07-10 12:38:09 UTC
Successful troll is successful. There is too many people with helpful advice to remedy his situation that he isn't listening to for him to be anything other than a troll.
Myfanwy Heimdal
Heimdal Freight and Manufacture Inc
#31 - 2013-07-10 13:51:43 UTC
Assume that you're bashing rocks in HiSec. You can get around 6m ISK from refined minerals per Mackinaw/Ore mine episode.

Assume that Plex costs about 600m ISK then you only need to fill your Mackinaw 100 times over a course of a month. If you want to break that down to daily targets all you need is to out and mine four times a day and you've got the money for a Plex and some change left over.

There are perhaps other ways to earn ISK but at the time (busy in RL at the moment) I don't have the time to investigate and besides New Eden needs someone to bash rocks so it may as well be.

But if you can do 100 trips a month then you can play for free. If you can do 200 trips a month on one account then you can use the other account to try to earn money by other means.

When I have time I may see what I can do with Planetary Interaction, for example.

Pam:  I wonder what my name means in Welsh?Nessa: Why?

Evangelina Nolen
Sama Guild
#32 - 2013-07-11 05:29:52 UTC
To the op, try mining in highsec islands. Just saying.
Myfanwy Heimdal
Heimdal Freight and Manufacture Inc
#33 - 2013-07-11 08:06:12 UTC
Evangelina Nolen wrote:
To the op, try mining in highsec islands. Just saying.


Forgive me for asking, but what are 'HiSec Islands'?

Pam:  I wonder what my name means in Welsh?Nessa: Why?

Faceless Parmala
Air
The Initiative.
#34 - 2013-07-11 08:12:13 UTC
Try mining about 10 jumps outside a trade hub... or go to dotlan, find a system with lots of belts, then ones with less then 1,000 jumps in 24 hours. The belts you will find are much better.
Steve Ronuken
Fuzzwork Enterprises
Vote Steve Ronuken for CSM
#35 - 2013-07-11 09:30:47 UTC
Myfanwy Heimdal wrote:
Evangelina Nolen wrote:
To the op, try mining in highsec islands. Just saying.


Forgive me for asking, but what are 'HiSec Islands'?




High Sec Islands:

Pockets of high sec, entirely surrounded by lowsec and nullsec, with no direct connection to the rest of High.

They tend to be pretty dead.

Woo! CSM XI!

Fuzzwork Enterprises

Twitter: @fuzzysteve on Twitter

Myfanwy Heimdal
Heimdal Freight and Manufacture Inc
#36 - 2013-07-11 12:57:27 UTC
Thanks ever so much for the clarification. I am much in appreciation.


Steve Ronuken wrote:


They tend to be pretty dead.


They, no doubt, being the untanked miners carrying their wares...

Pam:  I wonder what my name means in Welsh?Nessa: Why?

Frostys Virpio
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#37 - 2013-07-11 19:52:05 UTC
If anything, they should make roids smaller and reduce the cycle time on mining laser/harverster while keeping the same total m3/hours. It makes the mining operation require more input.

Well only if they find a way to prevent bots from targetting. If not, you just made change making legit mining more of a pain and bots just laugh at it...
Saleani Tsolyani
Bey Su
#38 - 2013-07-12 21:16:21 UTC
My advice is to get up in the morning and mine. I usually fill 1 barge full of ore before going to work (around 13:00 game time) as the belts near trade hubs are down to belly button lint (a warp-in beacon and nothing else) when I get home. I personally deplete the +10% ores while I twirl my mustache and cackle with glee.

If you really are unemployed, I strongly recommend keeping a routine of getting up in the morning and not staying up late. It will be very hard to get back into a routine compatible with employment. I speak from experience. While it may seem that Eve is kicking you in the jimmies at the same time that life is kicking you there, this isn't the case. Stuff changes and you have to adapt.

Lowsec belts have huge asteroids, but the belt rats can sometimes appear in battlecruisers, so if you're afk, you'll be in your pod quicker than you can misspell "toot sweet". And the other players can be trouble too.
Q 5
999 HOLDINGS LLC
#39 - 2013-07-13 02:58:42 UTC
Oh I can tell you where but sorry if I did CCP would nerf it.
Maoye Simalia
Ecstasy Of Gold Corp
#40 - 2013-07-13 05:50:24 UTC  |  Edited by: Maoye Simalia
Knights Armament wrote:
I don't intend on working for others so they can profit from my skills. My time is more valuable than the going rate.

Out of EVE gaming, utilizing other people's skill to make money is not easy. The responsibilities to organize, manage, motivate and resolve conflicts among people to achieve business goal require professional skills that are as important as the skills you need to do your job. Not to mention that the invested capital is always at risk. Respect the value contributed by employer.
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