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CCP now erasing all trace of the novels

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Eko'mo
Eko Research Institute
#1 - 2013-07-10 23:07:18 UTC
Just catching up with some in-game news I notice in a very short time span a lot of characters and plot points are being systematically and abruptly shut down.

It seems all the events have in common that they were introduced by the Tony G novels. Is he having his additions to the lore erased? It seems that way.

Personally I enjoyed the books, in particular having characters to follow in their trials and tribulations. Seems like these characters have been left stagnant for so long until now e.g Heth slowly phased out, Karen Midular quietly killed off, Caldari Prime back to Gallente, returning the galaxy to the same pre-novel status.

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Qvar Dar'Zanar
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#2 - 2013-07-10 23:14:56 UTC
Well, while you speak truth, it's also true that the status quo is hard to change. Those events you mention were quite an upset on the status quo, so it doesn't surprise me that reality (read, the forces behind the thrones) tends to go back to the equilibrium it previously had.
Vikarion
Doomheim
#3 - 2013-07-11 02:11:28 UTC
I, personally, am quite glad that Heth is getting written out of the storyline. The Caldari weren't originally written as space nazis, and if you like playing that sort of black-and-white game, I hear that Star Wars: The Old Republic is looking for players. The Caldari were originally written as a shadow-runn-ish society, a sort of cyber-punk future, if you will, and I like it that way.

And many thanks and kudos to the Eve story team for their getting rid of Heth. I honestly didn't think they would. But I was wrong, and that makes me happy, to the point of buying-devs-beer-happy. Big smile
Ckra Trald
Federal Defense Union
Gallente Federation
#4 - 2013-07-11 02:51:23 UTC
I really liked Empyrean Age and Templar One. Sure it was not Starship Troopers but It was cool reading about civilian and non player actions

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Samira Kernher
Cail Avetatu
#5 - 2013-07-11 07:50:12 UTC
Jamyl is being kept in, still with the madness. But Eterne's writing has salvaged her as a character, so it's all good.
CCP Falcon
#6 - 2013-07-11 13:03:08 UTC  |  Edited by: CCP Falcon
Vikarion wrote:
I, personally, am quite glad that Heth is getting written out of the storyline. The Caldari weren't originally written as space *****, and if you like playing that sort of black-and-white game, I hear that Star Wars: The Old Republic is looking for players. The Caldari were originally written as a shadow-runn-ish society, a sort of cyber-punk future, if you will, and I like it that way.

And many thanks and kudos to the Eve story team for their getting rid of Heth. I honestly didn't think they would. But I was wrong, and that makes me happy, to the point of buying-devs-beer-happy. Big smile


I have to admit that this makes me smile, given how much negativity you were exhibiting earlier in the year.

Given that you're a long standing EVE roleplayer, it was pretty disheartening to see you so wound up about storyline, because on the vast majority of points our opinions are similar.

I'm glad that yourself and a lot of other people who choose immersive gameplay based on our storyline are now feeling a little better off.

The whole Illuminati has worked pretty hard to shake things up a little, so it's good to see that people are at least starting to enjoy things a bit more.

In general terms, I don't think this is a case of us "erasing all trace of the novels" at all, it's just a case of us changing things up a little again.

EVE's backstory can't remain static forever, and change needs to happen every so often to keep up development of a living, breathing world.

Smile

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Ager Agemo
Rainbow Ponies Incorporated
#7 - 2013-07-11 13:51:44 UTC
hey falcon does the removal of heth produce any changes in game? like I see lately galente and winmatar are not very close but caldari is close to minmatar, maybe a chance of getting some winmatar caldari hybrid ships?
Leopold Caine
Stillwater Corporation
#8 - 2013-07-12 07:30:52 UTC
Ager Agemo wrote:
...maybe a chance of getting some winmatar caldari hybrid ships?


I don't think things actually work like that, both in causality and work organization.
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Eko'mo
Eko Research Institute
#9 - 2013-07-12 13:53:09 UTC
Vikarion wrote:
I, personally, am quite glad that Heth is getting written out of the storyline. The Caldari weren't originally written as space *****, and if you like playing that sort of black-and-white game, I hear that Star Wars: The Old Republic is looking for players. The Caldari were originally written as a shadow-runn-ish society, a sort of cyber-punk future, if you will, and I like it that way.

And many thanks and kudos to the Eve story team for their getting rid of Heth. I honestly didn't think they would. But I was wrong, and that makes me happy, to the point of buying-devs-beer-happy. Big smile



I'm not saying it's a bad thing merely commenting on how abrupt it all seems to be! I guess new writers taking over someone elses plot lines will do that.

I like Heth as a character, I don't even know why he's just such a tragic character whose got himself in out of his depth running a nation and I'd thought maybe they'd play with the dictatorship angle a bit longer. I'm in two mind about how he's been written out, I do like his last desperate 'We can take back Caldari' move with his handful of last supporters I reckon that deserves a lengthier chronicle.

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Seetesh
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#10 - 2013-07-14 12:24:35 UTC
Well I really wish eve had a more engaging storyline with a rich background. Perhaps falcon you could mention it to the powers who be that some of us are craving this form of content and depth to the game.
Kirjava
Lothian Enterprises
#11 - 2013-07-15 18:14:13 UTC
CCP Falcon wrote:

EVE's backstory can't remain static forever, and change needs to happen every so often to keep up development of a living, breathing world.

Smile

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Vikarion
Doomheim
#12 - 2013-07-16 03:15:00 UTC
Seetesh wrote:
Well I really wish eve had a more engaging storyline with a rich background. Perhaps falcon you could mention it to the powers who be that some of us are craving this form of content and depth to the game.


You are joking, right?

You are aware that EvE has more story and writing than most games out there?

Have you bothered to check out the Chronicles, here?

How about the Evelopedia articles on the factions, like, say, the State, here,here,here,and here

And that's just some of the most official information on the Caldari. You can find that sort of info on every major faction and some minor ones. You can also check out some very interesting player created content like the Caldari Dialogues, here.

And then you can go read the backstory, organized in a nice portal, here. There are scientific articles, short stories, the Chronicles, of course, and organizations, races, items, and more. Good grief, there are terabytes of story and description.

And if that's not enough, you can go buy the novels, though I only recommend The Burning Life, and can sorta "ok" Templar One.

Now shoo. Go read. And be happy. SmileP

Domer Pyle
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#13 - 2013-07-23 01:20:27 UTC
CCP Falcon wrote:
Vikarion wrote:
I, personally, am quite glad that Heth is getting written out of the storyline. The Caldari weren't originally written as space *****, and if you like playing that sort of black-and-white game, I hear that Star Wars: The Old Republic is looking for players. The Caldari were originally written as a shadow-runn-ish society, a sort of cyber-punk future, if you will, and I like it that way.

And many thanks and kudos to the Eve story team for their getting rid of Heth. I honestly didn't think they would. But I was wrong, and that makes me happy, to the point of buying-devs-beer-happy. Big smile


I have to admit that this makes me smile, given how much negativity you were exhibiting earlier in the year.

Given that you're a long standing EVE roleplayer, it was pretty disheartening to see you so wound up about storyline, because on the vast majority of points our opinions are similar.

I'm glad that yourself and a lot of other people who choose immersive gameplay based on our storyline are now feeling a little better off.

The whole Illuminati has worked pretty hard to shake things up a little, so it's good to see that people are at least starting to enjoy things a bit more.

In general terms, I don't think this is a case of us "erasing all trace of the novels" at all, it's just a case of us changing things up a little again.

EVE's backstory can't remain static forever, and change needs to happen every so often to keep up development of a living, breathing world.

Smile


speaking of the illuminati, i hear The Society needs some <3

they're a cool faction. it's a shame they're not featured very much :\

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Kerono Thalmor
Band of Buggered
#14 - 2013-07-24 17:59:56 UTC
Ager Agemo wrote:
hey falcon does the removal of heth produce any changes in game? like I see lately galente and winmatar are not very close but caldari is close to minmatar, maybe a chance of getting some winmatar caldari hybrid ships?


I don't think it's possible. The technology is too different between the two. Minmatar use nuclear- and plasma-based technology (nuclear reactors, plasma thrusters, etc.) while the Caldari use graviton- and magnetic-based technology (graviton reactors, magpulse thrusters, gravimetric sensors) and those things don't seem very compatible to me. However, I would love to see some variations in the thruster effects between the different technologies all the races use. The Amarr use fusion thrusters, the Gallente use ion thrusters, and as previously mentioned the Minmatar and the Caldari use plasma and magpulse, respectively. P

(Sorry for going off-topic.)

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kraiklyn Asatru
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#15 - 2013-07-24 21:50:37 UTC
Leopold Caine wrote:
Ager Agemo wrote:
...maybe a chance of getting some winmatar caldari hybrid ships?


I don't think things actually work like that, both in causality and work organization.



>Looks to me with all the recent ship changes the Matari have made, that they already have the caldari tech,. might not use hybrids, but certainly their missile tech. <
Kerono Thalmor
Band of Buggered
#16 - 2013-07-26 17:50:58 UTC
kraiklyn Asatru wrote:
Leopold Caine wrote:
Ager Agemo wrote:
...maybe a chance of getting some winmatar caldari hybrid ships?


I don't think things actually work like that, both in causality and work organization.



>Looks to me with all the recent ship changes the Matari have made, that they already have the caldari tech,. might not use hybrids, but certainly their missile tech. <


To my knowledge, Minmatar ships have always used a combination of projectile weapons and missile tech...

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kraiklyn Asatru
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#17 - 2013-07-28 22:22:07 UTC
Kerono Thalmor wrote:
kraiklyn Asatru wrote:
Leopold Caine wrote:
Ager Agemo wrote:
...maybe a chance of getting some winmatar caldari hybrid ships?


I don't think things actually work like that, both in causality and work organization.



>Looks to me with all the recent ship changes the Matari have made, that they already have the caldari tech,. might not use hybrids, but certainly their missile tech. <


To my knowledge, Minmatar ships have always used a combination of projectile weapons and missile tech...


That is most certainly the case, recent times have seen a marked increase is missile capability from the minmatar though. Take in reference the newly changed Cyclones, Bellicoses, or its most latest destroyer, the Talwar and of course the increased capabilities of the Typhoon. A very remarkable and impressive move on the minmatar part, although some of the other factions are making better progress on ship development, with the Matari lacking in capabilities with their autocannons, they are by no means standing still.
Lateris
#18 - 2013-08-28 17:20:31 UTC
I really hated Heth, to me he is such scumbag.
Fredfredbug4
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#19 - 2013-08-28 17:37:44 UTC
My problem with the story line was that at times it seemed too black and white. The Caldari were Space Nazis, the Gallente were Space Americans, the Amarr were ripoffs of the Imperium if Man from Warhammer 40k and the Minmatar were the only faction that felt original.

I like how we are moving away from that and going to the more grey areas of the original lore. The Amarr are more interesting than just simply "FEEL TEH EMPRAHS WRATH" . The Gallente are back to their Brave New World type society and the Caldari are back to their interesting Ultra Capitalist society.

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Vikarion
Doomheim
#20 - 2013-08-31 05:20:25 UTC
Fredfredbug4 wrote:
My problem with the story line was that at times it seemed too black and white. The Caldari were Space *****, the Gallente were Space Americans, the Amarr were ripoffs of the Imperium if Man from Warhammer 40k and the Minmatar were the only faction that felt original.

I like how we are moving away from that and going to the more grey areas of the original lore. The Amarr are more interesting than just simply "FEEL TEH EMPRAHS WRATH" . The Gallente are back to their Brave New World type society and the Caldari are back to their interesting Ultra Capitalist society.


Amen. Again, I have to apologize to Falcon for being so critical at the beginning of the arc. I still don't entirely like how it was handled, but I'm more than willing to put up with it for the resolution. Big smile
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