EVE General Discussion

When it takes designers and engineers away from developing PvP content.

When players demand that it be "balanced" and offer similar rewards to PvP.

Go look at PvP in WoW and ask that question again. Except you will already know the answer.

EVE is a PvP game. If you want PvE content go play a PvE game or one of the watered-down mainstream PvE/PvP hybrids of which there are many.

It took me a whole 2 months to realize that I, as in me personally, was part of the EVE content. In other MMOs all I have ever been is just padding. If I am in game, I would be just a helping hand and at worse, a hindrance to a superior team. In EVE, every time I undock, someone is examining me as a possible target.

Yes, maybe I'm gank meat half the time, but at least someone is having fun

My main gripe is that there should be a more free flowing source of content for players that want to stick to sub Battleship hulls. Not necessarily pure isk, but far easier way to self sustain and fit frigs and dessies, as I have seen many people spend an entire year to max out frigs and later combat frigs, but often have to get an alt to either run missions or do market work.

The new exploration system is a helping hand, but - and this is the part on the current topic at hand - if some more PvE content tailored for specific hulls, like, DED level class difficulty tailored to hull sizes might - in my opinion- help PvE, especially if the higher tier missions needed a small gang approach. Running a team of combat frigs does sound fun.

On that note I understand that such content will be a total bastard to balance and create, so yea, such concepts will be a long way off.

silly me, always think about sandbox as freedom to play the way i like.
So, if i want to just build spaceship or shot at red cross, i need to unsubscribe from Eve, because i don't play it in the way it was designed.


Wake up, a lot of ppl are not interested in any pvp mechanics at all (<---Hint: How many MAIN ppl don't move away from high sec?) (Hint N2: yes u r not safe in high sec, but still, safer than low sec)
A lot of ppl play Eve because it the only spaceship MMO around.
In a couple of years, there will be a couple of these.
Maybe they will be terrible, maybe they will be awesome, but still, for the first time in many years, Eve will have some concurrence.
In a situation like that, have to offer more content (PVE and PVP) will be a major asset.


P.S. In Wow PVP and PVE rewards are balanced and based on the activity on which u spent time on.

That is absolutely what it means. That doesn't mean the developers are obligated to support your choice of playstyle and activities with equal amounts of development and design effort, however.

For instance, you are free to take on the role of a space-pilot-turned-professional-poker-player and fly around the galaxy looking for high stakes games, but don't expect the developers to hop-to and implement a bunch of features to support this choice.

This is the conceit of the PvE enthusiast who comes to a PvP game, sandbox or not, and demands content be developed to support their choice.




Choosing a game built around PvP mechanics probably wasn't a great idea, then, was it?



I doubt that quite seriously.



Yeah! No doubt. Zero legitimately competitive space MMO's in development, absolute minimum of 5 years to develop a full scale MMO, so by my math we should totally have three or four released by 2015, right?



Right, that's precisely the problem. Every expansion a ton of time and effort is spent geting this balance right. EVE doesn't have to worry about that bullshit because we don't care about "balancing" PvE content. PvE in EVE is like the crumbs left over after we eat our sandwich.

You can eat the crumbs, but don't complain about how they taste or ask for more when you run out.

I don´t want a change in the ¨sandbox¨ or pvp. I want the pve to be fun, dynamic and random, nothing else.

Lol, I don´t see whats wrong with that.

So when do we get isk and ships handed out for free to do pvp? Last time i checked it all comes from pve one way or another. You can't ignore that part of the game. Pve grind is necessary evil for the majority of players. Thers no law written that it has to be as mind numbing and boring as it is or that a slightly more enjoyable pve experience is gonna ruin Eve.

Ridiculous rant about how pve is the same as pvp, about how people who dont become sheep in a nerdy nullsec blob are carebears, showing complete lack of vision, imagination and creativity to improve the game's universe.

Oh and by the way.. settle down brah... dont get so upset... this is bad for your heart condition

We know that your personal ego is really dependant on this "eleet pvpeer" posing, that without it ur just a sad nerdy, and that you cannot even enjoy a sci-fi universe game without trying to use this to gain attention, but you must understand that there are other people who play, pay for and support this game and are looking for a good time, not just ur nerdy eleet pvp wannabe blob (most of which dont even buy PLEX and support the game, and are the ones who make the most noise).

Yes, but the base pve gameplay sucks. All the activities you mention comes from ratting, missions, and mining, the columns of EVE.

This is pretty much absolute BS. There isn't a single soul in eve who does PvE, regardless of the reason, including funding their sov war machine, that deserves any portion of their playtime being relegated to bland and poorly developed content by design. This is an especially big FU to PvP'ers actually as it's an intentionally poorly thought out barrier to what you claim is the core content while having minimal effect comparatively on more PvE focused players.

I'm guessing it's not "fun" because spending millions of $ that content locusts devour in a week before they're bored again is a plain ole stupid thing to do.

Focus should always on giving players the tools and freedom to create the content.