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It goes far more deeper then the scammers, every soft or site like evemon for example creates mass databases on server side to get info on player actions...

At least they have to work for it if they're going to track you down and find out what you're doing like that. "Hand me your API finance sheets" just makes it too easy.

I'm moderately familiar with the upper-class child sex trade in the United States having been in it as a child. My psych situation is fine - there's a difference between being disgusted with people who literally try to terrorize people to death on video games and being psychologically unstable. Even though I think the APA is 99% BS, I think the majority of the psychological establishment would regard that as an unnatural and deviant impulse, as opposed to the person who thinks doing such things are deplorable.

It's one thing to play a pvp game with stakes and lose stuff or blow up your enemies, it's another to find personal pleasure in ganging up on and terrorizing a specific individual who aren't effecting you or your corp or otherwise in any way.

Just because I'm not giving people my financial API doesn't mean I'm somehow psychologically unstable. The people in this game just want to extort information from you for the purposes of exploiting the game. If they were good CEO's of corps, they wouldn't data mine for their personal advantage.

OP: Do you feel your OOG paranoia has slipped over into IG paranoia?

I have had APIs of newbies (Whether you are one or not is still up for debate, even Eve-Live is still out on the decision), it was for skill training checking.

I have the APIs of one or two people, for valuing their assets and seeing if I want to buy them.

If you think every corp is after your API for your financial data, I suggest you join one of the many do not require API, but then, this was never about that, but rather about your sensitivity to what you think other people are doing with your API data, even though you have been told several times that wallet history is X transactions or 1 month, whichever comes first, and that, no one sits and goes through 200 APIs (Not even me, and I like spreadsheets a lot) to look for someones trade routes, when I can just ask them instead ^^

You have been given several solutions to your "problem", and told that no, nobody is really interested in your wallet stuff, unless you are say, Mynnna, Entity, Chribba etc. You have been told that your industry stuff would be done through a corp POS anyway, so your research on blueprints is far from secret.
You have been told a free way to make a corp with the ability to have a pos, you have been told a free way to get jump clones

You have been told that your ingame locations are far from a secret, and require minimum effort to locate.

Of course, you are absolutely correct, and anyone who wants your full API is just out to screw you over, likewise anyone who asks you any questions is absolutely not trying to help you, and is definitely trying to do something bad....

This is what it comes down to. There is no need to mine APIs since a competent trader/industrialist will have a pretty good grasp of all the markets in the game and the various economic opportunities after a few years. The skill in building or trading doesn't come from identifying niches - they are ten a penny - but from exploiting opportunities / interacting with the other players in the market. Bear in mind that the economic activity of most eve players is entirely trivial to any large corp or alliance. An alliance with a passive income of 500bil a month is really not going to be interested in chasing down *any* niches or business plans because effort.

Confirmed. I use my API network to figure out what to invest in. I foresaw the ice-spike way before it happened through my api.

No, I very much understand what counts as rich in this game. You get rich by dominating the market and manufacturing or indoctrinating people who aren't smart enough to use calculators to sell you ore super cheap, or probably both. Lots of little profit margins add up very quickly. What you're saying is like saying Wal-Mart doesn't make any money by finding out what people buy because they're only selling cheap stuff...

You might understand rich, but you dont understand how it is done.

There is no need to dominate a market to get rich, or indoctrinate people. In fact, unless you are already very wealthy, the chances of you dominating any market that matters is extremely small.

On the other hand, if you want to dominate a market where there is not several hundred billion a day being traded, that requires very little isk, and can be very rewarding, but is generally a lot of effort

Maybe in the world you live in this is how it works.

People understand very well that ammo in a mission hub is more expensive than 4 jumps away at a trade hub, but they also understand that its an insignificant amount when you factor in travel time, and time lost shooting red crosses.

Manufacturers understand very well that they could get 10% more by selling from a sell order, but, the effort for updating the order vs the minor extra isk is not worth the time.

Most of the traders spend more time researching items than updating them, there is a reason it is called spreadsheets online you know?

Regional trading is extremely profitable, not because you indoctrinate people, but because you are the one with the effort of having goods in 40 different stations, trying to relist them. You have several options, the most common being either haul it all to a hub (Time intensive, but saves fees), or relist where you get them (minimum effort, higher profit, but slower turnover).

Trading is about seeing a niche, and filling it. Or, as you see it "Taking someones API data and mining it for information", now, if you will excuse me, I have to go mine my corps API data to find out what I should resell next.

Also, does someone want to bring MD audits into the conversation or would that just be cruel?

Raw, that would be very very naughty to do that