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EVE vs Startrek vs Starwars. who would win?
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Templar Knightsbane
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#61 - 2013-07-11 10:52:08 UTC
Use the force Luke!
RaTTuS
BIG
#62 - 2013-07-11 10:59:59 UTC
Skill Training Online wrote:
Species 8472

would destroy all of EVE.

https://gate.eveonline.com/Profile/Species%208472
no he hasn't

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Prince Kobol
#63 - 2013-07-11 11:41:35 UTC  |  Edited by: Prince Kobol
Star Trek would win very easily.

They would just do a Bikini Car Wash / Mud Wrestling with Seven of Nine, T'Pol, Jadzia Dax, Hoshi Sato and a host of other woman who have appeared over the decades and all the Eve nerds would just spontaneously explode with all that naked female flesh on show :)
Paul Otichoda
Perkone
Caldari State
#64 - 2013-07-11 11:42:52 UTC
I think too many people are thinking in purely tatical terms here. Remember that war are won on logistics not combat power.

The SW empire appears to have the largest war machine as it has to control an entire galaxy. but of course this seize size also means in normal operations it is spread quite thin so intial conflict is going to be quite small, yet once the war escalates and the empire goes into the offensive it will be able to bring mass firepower to bare in a small area. Also while the empire appears to have the largest available economy to fund its war I suspect there is limits to how much and how quickly it can extract resources to build more ships before mega-corporations and planets started resisting. While in normal conditions such oppostion can be crushed or suppressed, in a time of crisis with streched miltary might they would want to avoid additional rebellions. Overall the Empire would probadly be slow to start but would be able to bring superior strength to engage all sides. However there is limits to their industry so don't expect to see a death star production line.

The federation is the least militarised of the three with star fleet only having so much miltary capacity. Also while their economy is technical unlimited via replicators it is shown that during the dominion war that they could not keep up with demand for ships resulting in several ad hock designs. Also the federations post-scarcity economy may not be able to provide the resources (and manpower) needed to fight a total war. Afterall a people who have had everything are not going to accept total rationing. All this suggests that the Federation is best placed to fight a short quick war but is doomed to fight any really long term conflict.

And finally theres the EVE cluster. While it is obvious that it is inferior in miltary and economic terms it does have some advantages. Firstly it appears to have the ability to replace its ships loses taking only a few hours to built a battleship. This providing the supply of resources can be kept up can allow the EVE cluster to maintain its forces even if loses are high. Another point is the travel time across ever is rather quick allowing forces to be rapidly moved from combat zone to combat zone. In theory is may allow the EVE cluser to fight off a less co-ordinated enemy by defeating the enemy in one location and then relocating to fight the next.

So overall I'd say the Empire is top but it is not unlimited. Eve is second, it may be technolically disadvantaged but it has the ability to replace it loses quickly and move its ships around to see off attakcs. Coming in last is the federation who may be fast are unable to fight a long war of attrition.
Debora Tsung
Perkone
Caldari State
#65 - 2013-07-11 12:04:38 UTC
Paul Otichoda wrote:
deductive logic overload.


How dare You bring logic to our fandom nerdgasm battle rage!

Stupidity should be a bannable offense.

Fighting back is more fun than not.

Sticky: AFK Cloaking Thread It's not pretty, but it's there.
Paul Otichoda
Perkone
Caldari State
#66 - 2013-07-11 12:11:15 UTC
Debora Tsung wrote:
Paul Otichoda wrote:
deductive logic overload.


How dare You bring logic to our fandom nerdgasm battle rage!


I find that logic makes them so much more fun Big smile
stoicfaux
#67 - 2013-07-11 12:19:28 UTC
Vaihto Ehto wrote:
Cassus Adamo wrote:
Oh, and Borg ships and Drones are capable of reaching 100% resists after a few shots.


This could be countered by Alphafleets c/d?

Alphafleets would never even have a chance to lock on.

ST ships can travel at sub-light speeds that are a significant fraction of the speed of light. In order to reduce the effects of relativity, they try to keep their speeds below .3 c (30% of speed of light.)

Speed of light = ~300,000,000 m/s
.3 c = 90,000,00 m/s
Eve interceptors can go ~4,000 to 6,000 m/s (with limited endurance.)
Eve ships are limited to a 250,000 m targeting range (a 500,000 m diameter targeting sphere.)
ST ships can lock and fire at warp speeds (it was done in The Original Series.)

Takeaways:
* ST ships at sub-light speeds can easily be moving 15,000 times faster than Eve interceptors.
* ST ships at sub-light speeds would never be on grid long enough to even show up on the overview.
* Eve ships are sitting ducks wrapped in anchor chains with their feet nailed to ground.

Pon Farr Memorial: once every 7 years, all the carebears in high-sec must PvP or they will be temp-banned.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#68 - 2013-07-11 12:25:45 UTC
stoicfaux wrote:


Takeaways:
* ST ships at sub-light speeds can easily be moving 15,000 times faster than Eve interceptors.
* ST ships at sub-light speeds would never be on grid long enough to even show up on the overview.
* Eve ships are sitting ducks wrapped in anchor chains with their feet nailed to ground.



Yet in fight they always go slow and fire at point blank ranges...
Paul Otichoda
Perkone
Caldari State
#69 - 2013-07-11 12:33:47 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
stoicfaux wrote:


Takeaways:
* ST ships at sub-light speeds can easily be moving 15,000 times faster than Eve interceptors.
* ST ships at sub-light speeds would never be on grid long enough to even show up on the overview.
* Eve ships are sitting ducks wrapped in anchor chains with their feet nailed to ground.



Yet in fight they always go slow and fire at point blank ranges...



yes there that reference in deep space 9 of closing to 500m which appear to confirm that ST and EVE fight at equal ranges. SW there is expanded universe evidence of engaging a realistic ranges but there is also a lot of evidence of firing at 1m. Remember episode 3's opening battle.
Teseer
Perfusus Sanguine
Pandemic Horde
#70 - 2013-07-11 12:36:20 UTC  |  Edited by: Teseer
Star Trek / Star Wars don't have to worry about Balance for Gameplay.

If you remove balance from the equation and I think Eve would stand more than just a fighting chance.

...until the Borg adapt.
But that would only effect lasorz, I believe. I don't think I ever saw a Borg absorb anything but phasor fire. Kinda hard to 'adapt' to kinetic weapons like Hybrid/Projectile gunz.
Teseer
Perfusus Sanguine
Pandemic Horde
#71 - 2013-07-11 12:37:34 UTC  |  Edited by: Teseer
Oops, double post.
Yui z
State War Academy
Caldari State
#72 - 2013-07-11 13:02:57 UTC
Longinus Crendraven wrote:
Star Trek, if we are talking about a combined race alliance.


Same thought, if we are speaking about a "all combined tech per universe" wars, I would vote for ST.
Not taking into account the number of available fighter, 100k in eve ? 100k billion in ST ? (certainly the same amount in SW)

Its a no match.
Debora Tsung
Perkone
Caldari State
#73 - 2013-07-11 13:03:33 UTC
Teseer wrote:
Star Trek / Star Wars don't have to worry about Balance for Gameplay.

If you remove balance from the equation and I think Eve would stand more than just a fighting chance.

...until the Borg adapt.
But that would only effect lasorz, I believe. I don't think I ever saw a Borg absorb anything but phasor fire. Kinda hard to 'adapt' to kinetic weapons like Hybrid/Projectile gunz.


Even if they adapt, it's only a matter of who can throw how much energy at whom in what time.

Once your gun gets big enough, shields won't matter.

Stupidity should be a bannable offense.

Fighting back is more fun than not.

Sticky: AFK Cloaking Thread It's not pretty, but it's there.
Kyt Thrace
Lightspeed Enterprises
Goonswarm Federation
#74 - 2013-07-11 13:27:22 UTC
Starbuck in her Viper leading the Battlestar Galactica & Cylon Fleet

Just saying...

R.I.P. Vile Rat
Icarus Able
Refuse.Resist
#75 - 2013-07-11 13:28:34 UTC
Yui z wrote:
Longinus Crendraven wrote:
Star Trek, if we are talking about a combined race alliance.


Same thought, if we are speaking about a "all combined tech per universe" wars, I would vote for ST.
Not taking into account the number of available fighter, 100k in eve ? 100k billion in ST ? (certainly the same amount in SW)

Its a no match.



THere are a lot more available fighters in the Eve universe just from players. Take into account NPCs and you are looking into the billions.
mr ed thehouseofed
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#76 - 2013-07-11 13:37:03 UTC
i'm just trying to think what jita would be like with the ferengi in local Shocked

i want a eve pinball machine...  confirming  CCP Cognac is best cognac
Moth Eisig
Gallente Federation
#77 - 2013-07-11 13:43:58 UTC
Depends . . . does CCP still control the nodes that the militaries from different universes would be fighting on? Pirate
Solaris Ecladia
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#78 - 2013-07-11 13:46:22 UTC
Its obvious EvE would win. We have l33t devh4x and CCp would be all like "aww **** bro free dev ships for everyone!" then we could tell everyone to suck a fat one while we have 100% resists across the board and move at speeds like they were before the nano nerf.

all assuming we are fighting in the EvE universe...
Debora Tsung
Perkone
Caldari State
#79 - 2013-07-11 13:59:58 UTC  |  Edited by: Debora Tsung
mr ed thehouseofed wrote:
i'm just trying to think what jita would be like with the ferengi in local Shocked


Business as usual. Straight

Stupidity should be a bannable offense.

Fighting back is more fun than not.

Sticky: AFK Cloaking Thread It's not pretty, but it's there.
Jon 1
Demonstrably False
#80 - 2013-07-11 14:02:20 UTC
The bear definitely wins against the tiger. It's just so much stronger...

Oh sorry wrong thread.

The Japanese samurai wins against the Medieval knight. He's just so much more maneuverable.

Oh wait....

..... JEESH!

I used to be called 'Sturmabteilung' but CCP said it was offensive.