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Don't let Mission Runners 'Decline' Low-Security Missions.

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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
#41 - 2013-07-11 07:56:22 UTC
Skill Training Online wrote:
RubyPorto wrote:
Skill Training Online wrote:
I am ... I am... no longer playing this game.

Can I have your stuff?

Sure, but it is in low-sec, where nobody will ever go.

Is your stuff worth at least 1% of my NAV ? If so, feel free to contract it to me. I don't need to undock to make a profit anyway Twisted

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Skill Training Online
Doomheim
#42 - 2013-07-11 07:56:41 UTC
I need you to be online I only have 1 contract at a time and stuff in like 54 systems.

Thank You Obama!
RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#43 - 2013-07-11 08:04:37 UTC
Skill Training Online wrote:
I need you to be online I only have 1 contract at a time and stuff in like 54 systems.



Well, go to.

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon
Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
#44 - 2013-07-11 08:05:17 UTC
So you're actually serious ? Ouch.

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DSpite Culhach
#45 - 2013-07-11 08:14:30 UTC
Apparently I'm a dirty exploiter. I put an industrial toon in a station that had distro missions I wanted to do for that corp. Every 15 to 20 missions I would get a delivery to a low sec station. I did some research and found the station belonged to a pirate corp based there. I scouted ahead and found the other side of the gate camped. I went back later and found Nagas camping off the station.

So let me examine what the OP said.

I'm supposed to run the gauntlet of a pirate corp that will start expecting me. Once I die my cargo will be impossible to deliver, so I automatically lose standing, a ship, and possibly training implants ... to get an L4 payout of 300k isk?

You must be out of your frigging mind. I already have to wait 4 hours. Pretty sure its a big enough penalty already.

I apparently have no idea what I'm doing.
Skill Training Online
Doomheim
#46 - 2013-07-11 09:23:40 UTC
Ah screw it, I was gonna quit but then I found out Hilmar wears $1000 Pants.

Thank You Obama!
Xen Solarus
Furious Destruction and Salvage
#47 - 2013-07-11 09:28:43 UTC
All i read was "Waaaaa! Waaaaa! Why don't those highsec carebears lemming single file into my lowsec gatecamp?!"

Answer, they don't want to.

Post with your main, like a BOSS!

And no, i don't live in highsec.  As if that would make your opinion any less wrong.  
Tobias Hareka
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#48 - 2013-07-11 09:46:25 UTC
Noddy Comet wrote:
Hmmm... if this is indeed an exploit, shouldn't this thread be reported for blatantly telling players how to exploit?


If someone finds a exploit then it should be reported to CCP directly, not sharing it on forums.

"Logs show nothing"
"Working as intended"
Lol
RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#49 - 2013-07-11 09:50:21 UTC
Skill Training Online wrote:
Ah screw it, I was gonna quit but then I found out Hilmar wears $1000 Pants.



Yet another quitter, overpromising and underdelivering.

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon
Ruskarn Andedare
Lion Investments
#50 - 2013-07-11 10:11:46 UTC
Skill Training Online wrote:
Ah screw it, I was gonna quit but then I found out Hilmar wears $1000 Pants.


So you quit quitting?

Pro quitting skills there
Malcolm Shinhwa
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#51 - 2013-07-11 14:58:01 UTC
Because I want to see OP's head explode, this:

You can run L4 missions for agents in 0.5 systems and make 20mil an hour totally AFK without even trying and never even get a lowsec mission. In addition, if you are not AFK you are 99.99% ungankable. If you are AFK you're still ungankable by any pirate -5 or less. Even the rats are a joke and easily handled by a few hobs. OP I give you: The Level 4 Mining Mission. You get tons of LP, standing, and a faction mission every 16. Its completely stupid and I would put fixing it way above pilots declining missions in lowsec.

Eve PvE is horrible. News at 11.

Want to bring some risk to those mission runners, scan down their 0.5 deadspace and loot their wrecks and hope they shoot you in their PvE fit boats. Or wait until they bring their salvager in and gank him.

[i]"The purpose of fighting is to win. There is no possible victory in defense. The sword is more important than the shield and skill is more important than either. The final weapon is the brain. All else is supplemental[/i]."
Onomerous
Caldari Black Hand
Caldari Tactical Operations Command
#52 - 2013-07-11 15:02:56 UTC
I'm in agreement actually. I believe we should go farther with this.

When our fleet enters a LS or NS system, players already in the system cannot enter a POS or station. Furthermore, they may not leave the system nor log off. I believe the same thing should happen in WH. How are we going to kill people if they do stuff to stay safe? What is EVE coming to if we allow people to take steps to protect themselves?



















/end sarcasm
Ace Uoweme
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#53 - 2013-07-11 15:10:13 UTC  |  Edited by: Ace Uoweme
DSpite Culhach wrote:
Apparently I'm a dirty exploiter. I put an industrial toon in a station that had distro missions I wanted to do for that corp. Every 15 to 20 missions I would get a delivery to a low sec station. I did some research and found the station belonged to a pirate corp based there. I scouted ahead and found the other side of the gate camped. I went back later and found Nagas camping off the station.

So let me examine what the OP said.

I'm supposed to run the gauntlet of a pirate corp that will start expecting me. Once I die my cargo will be impossible to deliver, so I automatically lose standing, a ship, and possibly training implants ... to get an L4 payout of 300k isk?

You must be out of your frigging mind. I already have to wait 4 hours. Pretty sure its a big enough penalty already.


Best explanation of why it isn't an exploit to decline missions into low-sec!

If folks want low-sec missions, they will goto low-sec and grab them there.

Besides, payouts for missions is much less than the salvage and killing the rats in them. 1 million ISK with a 1 million time bonus pales to even what the rats offer.

_"In a world of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." _ ~George Orwell
Kitty Bear
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#54 - 2013-07-11 16:06:38 UTC
Verunae Caseti wrote:
This forum really needs to institute 24 hour to 1 week bans for varying degrees of idiocy. OP would be gone for a month.


permanency gets my vote
Ilkahn
Ideal Mechanisms
#55 - 2013-07-11 16:14:36 UTC
What i took away from this is that someone has a pvp ego fueled by killing low skilled new bros in crap fits with no chance and no concept of low sec mechanics.
Isaak Artorius
Perkone
Caldari State
#56 - 2013-07-11 16:40:42 UTC
"TROOOOOOOLL! IN THE DUNGEON! TROLL IN THE DUNGEON! [Silence] Thought you ought to know. [Faints]"

- Professor Quirrell

I am for sale! 74M SP Tengu/Industrial/R&D Pilot!

War Kitten
Panda McLegion
#57 - 2013-07-11 17:02:59 UTC
I'm petitioning all of you for discussing exploits.

I don't judge people by their race, religion, color, size, age, gender, or ethnicity. I judge them by their grammar, spelling, syntax, punctuation, clarity of expression, and logical consistency.
RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#58 - 2013-07-11 18:37:00 UTC
War Kitten wrote:
I'm petitioning all of you for discussing exploits.


But now you've joined in. Twisted

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon
BiscuitMonsterr
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#59 - 2013-07-11 19:21:02 UTC
Skill Training Online wrote:
I heard about this exploit and it almost made me vomit.

The current mission system allows exploiters to base out in a 0.5 system to maximize their mission rewards
(the rewards are increased due to the risk of getting low-sec missions)

rather than factoring the additional risk, people exploit by declining any missions that take them into low-security space.

Of course the poor-state of low-security mechanics would need to be re-worked.


The Gate:
Permanently tanking sentry guns is trivial so establishing permanent high scan resolution 80km infinite point camps can be done with month old characters.

The Mission:
With proper skills and probing implants It is possible to get warp-able hits at 32 AU probes, this has become incredibly easy with the new mid-slot modules,

What I'd like to see CCP do:
Remove all ISK gained from the exploiters.
Add E-War to gate guns (ECM, Damps, Disruption, Neutralizer)
Require probes to be at 1AU or less before a warp-able hit is possible.

The fact that low-security space is broken, doesn't mean we should allow people to exploit the game.


I never knew this exploit existed before reading this thread. As soon as it sank in, I literally vomited. Unfortunately, I was facing my wife at the time, so I vomited straight into her face. This caused her to vonit in turn, which set out twin children and the nanny off.

Luckily my dog likes to eat sick, so the mess is minimal, albeit smelly, but my whole family is now experiencing terrible stomach cramps. All because of those damn exploiters.
Cipher Jones
The Thomas Edwards Taco Tuesday All Stars
#60 - 2013-07-11 19:27:23 UTC
Totally agree with the OP. To balance it, level 5 agents that are found in lowsec should send you to hisec for the mission, and you shouldn't be able to decline.

internet spaceships

are serious business sir.

and don't forget it