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Korsavius
Revenent Defence Corperation
#41 - 2013-07-11 01:33:18 UTC
Desiderya wrote:
Let's not forget why Heth rose to power - he was a necessary evil, after all. Now we can move on, seeing as he has outlived both his merit and his necessity for quite some while.

Those sueing for peace - I suggest meeting up somewhere to form a drum circle, stock up on some sooth sayer and exchange your progressive thoughts that all will be nice if we'd just learn to hold hands properly. I for one don't see how all the conflicts with the federation are magically solved by cleaning house.

I can agree to an extent that Heth was a necessary evil.

Your latter statement, however, seems a little bit misguided.

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Pieter Tuulinen
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#42 - 2013-07-11 04:00:37 UTC
Diana Kim wrote:

1. All Gallente agents must be found out and disposed
2. Every Caldari should be ready to sacrifice some lives for greater numbers of lives to survive.
That they are making media drama because of it, it is just a Gallentean propaganda!


Diana... It's time. You've clung on to the man and now the memory of the man for long enough. Heth is stripped of his position and his citizenship. The CPD has been dismantled. The Provists are a fading echo - not one of them is in power.

The only people that support Heth now are the Templis Dragonaurs and we both know them of old. They are not citizens. They do not work for the State.

It's time to put down your silly girlish fantasies, Heiian the frak up, and get a REAL job in a proper Corporation. One of the Deksam, preferably. There are plenty of places where you can continue to fight for what is right in Black Rise and the adjoining territories. Here is your test, sent fresh from the Winds. Face it! Remain relevant!

For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.
Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#43 - 2013-07-11 04:38:31 UTC
Dahacai Laguz wrote:
Diana Kim wrote:
Dahacai Laguz wrote:
Now all I need is Heth crashing down through Intaki Prime's atmosphere in a cargo container.

I will protect Caldari citizens until last drop of my blood. This includes former Executor Tibus Heth.
Even if I will have to kill every one of you, whole your race and civilization, exterminate every children and elders and make your planets not suitable for life !
Because all your peoples together don't cost as much as his life!


Maybe you'd like to join him? Sealed together in a coffin, launched from orbit and heading to impending doom. How romantic, heh heh.

And maybe you would like to be launched from the orbit without coffin in just an EVA suit, but launched not towards the planet, but to the empty void of space! So we could all look at you floating away, waving hands to you! And do it in some Maker-forsaken system in lawless space, so your suffocated and frozen body won't be found in the next thousand of years !

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.
Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#44 - 2013-07-11 05:17:20 UTC
Pieter Tuulinen wrote:
Diana Kim wrote:

1. All Gallente agents must be found out and disposed
2. Every Caldari should be ready to sacrifice some lives for greater numbers of lives to survive.
That they are making media drama because of it, it is just a Gallentean propaganda!


Diana... It's time. You've clung on to the man and now the memory of the man for long enough. Heth is stripped of his position and his citizenship. The CPD has been dismantled. The Provists are a fading echo - not one of them is in power.

The only people that support Heth now are the Templis Dragonaurs and we both know them of old. They are not citizens. They do not work for the State.

Heth-haan wasn't born Executor, you know!
You will change your mind, after he will be reinstated!
Because there is not a single man in these parts of space who would be more merited than him!

Pieter Tuulinen wrote:

It's time to put down your silly girlish fantasies, Heiian the frak up, and get a REAL job in a proper Corporation. One of the Deksam, preferably. There are plenty of places where you can continue to fight for what is right in Black Rise and the adjoining territories. Here is your test, sent fresh from the Winds. Face it! Remain relevant!

I work for the real corporation, Tuulinen-haan. Maybe the more relevant corporation, than all other corporations in the State. Maybe even more relevant, than the Navy itself, who prefer to sit their fat asses in barracks. Because we are at war, and I am fighting in this war.

Fighting for my corporation, fighting for my State, fighting for all of our citizens, including you, and even CEP.
We are the real fighting force of the State, we are the shield for our people, we are the expendables, that the State willing to throw at our enemies, and we protect our citizens from gallentean threat.

Everyone should do their job, Tuulinen-haan. And this is my job, to fight and die instead of others. Not to sit somewhere in cozy space with Navy personnel, not in some Megacorp police force, chasing scaredy pirates, not in some factory or scientific institution, but here, on the frontlines, on the first and most important line of defense for the State against enemies.

This is my job. This is what I have been taught. And this is what I have been prepared for. This is my duty. And this is my destiny.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.
Stitcher
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#45 - 2013-07-11 09:07:33 UTC
Lost cause, Pieter.

AKA Hambone

Author of The Deathworlders
Saya Ishikari
Ishukone-Raata Technological Research Institute
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
#46 - 2013-07-11 09:17:17 UTC
Pieter Tuulinen wrote:
Diana Kim wrote:

1. All Gallente agents must be found out and disposed
2. Every Caldari should be ready to sacrifice some lives for greater numbers of lives to survive.
That they are making media drama because of it, it is just a Gallentean propaganda!


Diana... It's time. You've clung on to the man and now the memory of the man for long enough. Heth is stripped of his position and his citizenship. The CPD has been dismantled. The Provists are a fading echo - not one of them is in power.

The only people that support Heth now are the Templis Dragonaurs and we both know them of old. They are not citizens. They do not work for the State.

It's time to put down your silly girlish fantasies, Heiian the frak up, and get a REAL job in a proper Corporation. One of the Deksam, preferably. There are plenty of places where you can continue to fight for what is right in Black Rise and the adjoining territories. Here is your test, sent fresh from the Winds. Face it! Remain relevant!


Pieter-kirjuun... It's time for you, as well. We both know where concern for this one leads. Let her go. If she wishes to cling to these delusions, let her. You've done all you can... More than you were expected to. More than anyone could have asked of you, and you paid a price for it that should never have been paid. She's refused all efforts, betrayed you, and accused you of being a traitor after the fact... Let her go. It's not worth the effort.

"At the end of it all, we have only what we've left in our wake to be remembered by." -Kyoko Ishikari, YC 95 - YC 117
iyammarrok
Drunken Beaver Mining
#47 - 2013-07-11 09:38:23 UTC  |  Edited by: iyammarrok
Diana Kim wrote:

1. All Gallente agents must be found out and disposed
2. Every Caldari should be ready to sacrifice some lives for greater numbers of lives to survive.
That they are making media drama because of it, it is just a Gallentean propaganda!


Tell that to the Caldari patriots who were there that day, attempting to protect the civilians who were merely exercising their right to peaceful protest.
Tell that to the families of those civilians, who were attacked and killed, by Home Guard forces on the orders of Tibus Heth.

Always for the good of the citizens indeed.

Anyway, I offer the people of the state my best hopes for a painless transition from this dark period of their history. May this soon lead to some form of peace.

Not indicative of corporate policy unless otherwise stated.
Phox Jorkarzul
Deep Void Merc Syndicate
#48 - 2013-07-11 09:57:27 UTC
Does the State Protectorate fall under the Provists? I am not as up to date with Caldari Corps and I prolly should be.

Blasters for life

https://neverpheedthetroll.blogspot.com
iyammarrok
Drunken Beaver Mining
#49 - 2013-07-11 10:07:21 UTC
Phox, No. The protectorate falls under the umbrella of the State Navy. The Provists were CPD, a corporate entity Heth created that appears to have had the single directive to keep him in power at all costs.

Not indicative of corporate policy unless otherwise stated.
Phox Jorkarzul
Deep Void Merc Syndicate
#50 - 2013-07-11 11:46:08 UTC
iyammarrok wrote:
Phox, No. The protectorate falls under the umbrella of the State Navy. The Provists were CPD, a corporate entity Heth created that appears to have had the single directive to keep him in power at all costs.



Okay thanks mate

Blasters for life

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Rinai Vero
Blades of Liberty
#51 - 2013-07-12 05:32:42 UTC
Unfortunate that this has been so long delayed.
Andreus Ixiris
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#52 - 2013-07-12 14:38:42 UTC
Diana Kim wrote:
Things.

Told you so.

Andreus Ixiris > A Civire without a chin is barely a Civire at all.

Pieter Tuulinen > He'd be Civirely disadvantaged, Andreus.

Andreus Ixiris > ...

Andreus Ixiris > This is why we're at war.
Dahacai Laguz
Rust Creeps
#53 - 2013-07-12 15:55:54 UTC
Andreus Ixiris wrote:
Diana Kim wrote:
Things.

Told you so.


Namas, Ixiris. Kathata? Payback for home is close, man. I can feel it.
Jeremiah Cole
Dark Matter.
#54 - 2013-07-12 16:00:15 UTC
Petty squabbles induced by the words of a rabid man.
Dahacai Laguz
Rust Creeps
#55 - 2013-07-12 16:13:16 UTC
Jeremiah Cole wrote:
Petty squabbles induced by the words of a rabid man.


Weren't you at Haatomo back when your leader holed himself up inside a station like in a sardine can? Funny man, and so are you.
Coral Theisman
Space Ants
Brave Collective
#56 - 2013-07-15 15:52:46 UTC
So, are we Gallente yet?

Also, why to stop @ disbanding CPD, why not to disband all corporations and embrace frogeaters' democracy, it's so nice and shiny and TRUE and HONEST political system, as we had a dubious pleasure to witness.
Steffanie Saissore
Tyrathlion Interstellar
#57 - 2013-07-15 17:46:17 UTC
Coral Theisman wrote:
So, are we Gallente yet?

Also, why to stop @ disbanding CPD, why not to disband all corporations and embrace frogeaters' democracy, it's so nice and shiny and TRUE and HONEST political system, as we had a dubious pleasure to witness.


What has dissolving a position created by the CEP got to do with becoming a democracy or even Gallente? From an outsider's perspective, the CEP created a position, the position was abused, and the CEP took steps to address the situation. There were no forums, no debates, no referendums, or lobbies. They did not consult the people of the State, they acted in a manner they thought was best for the State.

You should be pleased at the swiftness and decisiveness afford to your government in acting against a problem within. We typically have to wait every four years to fix our problems.

Then again, your tone does imply sympathy, if not support, for a man your State has labeled a traitor and a terrorist.

We travel in the dark of the new moon,

A starry highway traced on the map of the sky
iyammarrok
Drunken Beaver Mining
#58 - 2013-07-15 19:40:19 UTC
I wouldn't bother trying to explain it to him Steffanie, He's new.
Probably didn't pay much attention to state-wide news and rules before becoming a capsuleer, and from his statement doesn't seem to realise that the executor position and CPD didn't even exist until a little over 5 years ago.

Not indicative of corporate policy unless otherwise stated.
Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#59 - 2013-07-15 20:12:34 UTC
Steffanie Saissore wrote:
Coral Theisman wrote:
So, are we Gallente yet?

Also, why to stop @ disbanding CPD, why not to disband all corporations and embrace frogeaters' democracy, it's so nice and shiny and TRUE and HONEST political system, as we had a dubious pleasure to witness.


What has dissolving a position created by the CEP got to do with becoming a democracy or even Gallente? From an outsider's perspective, the CEP created a position, the position was abused, and the CEP took steps to address the situation. There were no forums, no debates, no referendums, or lobbies. They did not consult the people of the State, they acted in a manner they thought was best for the State.

You should be pleased at the swiftness and decisiveness afford to your government in acting against a problem within. We typically have to wait every four years to fix our problems.

Then again, your tone does imply sympathy, if not support, for a man your State has labeled a traitor and a terrorist.

Now what would a Gallentean nderstand about the State?... this is truly ridiculous.

Like they , from CEP, were acting in interests of the State.
They were acting only in self interests, i.e. they acted to save their warm places on gold thrones.
The only one, who was acting in the best interest of the State as a whole, in the interest of common workers in all parts of the State, was Tibus Heth. But his reforms would put them down from their thrones, and they acted.
And, unfortunately, now we are ruled by them and have to follow their orders.
But, despite the State is submerging into the darkness and degradation, what we have is still not as low and degraded as gallentean society. We are still way far away from filthy democracy. And we can hope, that interests of these CEOs in the CEP will coincide with interests of the State as a whole. At least in some parts.
And, of course, there is still a chance that Tibus Heth-haan will be reinstated, and we could finish uniting our people and establishing the United State of Real Meritocracy.

But for now, we have to protect what we have and give gallentean filth proper beating.
For the State!

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.
Dahacai Laguz
Rust Creeps
#60 - 2013-07-15 22:54:23 UTC
Diana Kim wrote:
Steffanie Saissore wrote:
Coral Theisman wrote:
So, are we Gallente yet?

Also, why to stop @ disbanding CPD, why not to disband all corporations and embrace frogeaters' democracy, it's so nice and shiny and TRUE and HONEST political system, as we had a dubious pleasure to witness.


What has dissolving a position created by the CEP got to do with becoming a democracy or even Gallente? From an outsider's perspective, the CEP created a position, the position was abused, and the CEP took steps to address the situation. There were no forums, no debates, no referendums, or lobbies. They did not consult the people of the State, they acted in a manner they thought was best for the State.

You should be pleased at the swiftness and decisiveness afford to your government in acting against a problem within. We typically have to wait every four years to fix our problems.

Then again, your tone does imply sympathy, if not support, for a man your State has labeled a traitor and a terrorist.

Now what would a Gallentean nderstand about the State?... this is truly ridiculous.

Like they , from CEP, were acting in interests of the State.
They were acting only in self interests, i.e. they acted to save their warm places on gold thrones.
The only one, who was acting in the best interest of the State as a whole, in the interest of common workers in all parts of the State, was Tibus Heth. But his reforms would put them down from their thrones, and they acted.
And, unfortunately, now we are ruled by them and have to follow their orders.
But, despite the State is submerging into the darkness and degradation, what we have is still not as low and degraded as gallentean society. We are still way far away from filthy democracy. And we can hope, that interests of these CEOs in the CEP will coincide with interests of the State as a whole. At least in some parts.
And, of course, there is still a chance that Tibus Heth-haan will be reinstated, and we could finish uniting our people and establishing the United State of Real Meritocracy.

But for now, we have to protect what we have and give gallentean filth proper beating.
For the State!


Darkness and degradation of the Gallente society, Ms. Kim? Don't you mean decadence and deliciousness? Heh heh. If you ask me, I'd still like to see an alternative outcome to all this as it's such a waste.. Hadn't you guys left us 200 years ago, we might've achieved some grand things together. Like mopping up the floor with certain zealots and tribals. Just kidding!