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Boom Boom Longtime
EVE Corporation 6908469858
Heroes and Villains.
#81 - 2013-07-10 13:59:18 UTC
Kalel Nimrott wrote:
Cannibal Kane wrote:
oh hi there future war target.



I read that with Herbert the Pervert voice in my head

People who make threads like this and those who get angsty about scams achieve nothing other than bringing attention upon themselves and their corps.

Its like sheep telling wolves that dinner is ready to be served.

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Kimo Khan
Rage Against All Reds
GunFam
#82 - 2013-07-10 14:41:20 UTC
xxdeathxx thebeaver wrote:
Elizabeth Aideron wrote:
why did you have your safety off while mission running anyway?


my safety was on until i seen the person looting and as far as i knew you had to change it to attack anywhere so i did and of course the person had help from the police before yea i was in the wrong because i spend a few hours on this one long mission and sure enough here's someone savaging wrecks so like any other game why shouldn't i be able to fire on them? So i shot them and concord saves the day! but im in the wrong i forgot... its a profession but its the same thing as looting someones can but w/e



If you have the right to shoot someone without consequences you do not have to turn your safety off. Never go saftey red in high sec unless you WANT to get concorded.

If they steal your loot (not wreck) you may shoot freely with safety green. You may even take back your loot after you kill them with safety green.

Wrecks are unowned and will never cause a criminal or suspect timer, only loot in the wreck is owned.
Shiera Kuni
Electric Machete
#83 - 2013-07-10 16:23:47 UTC
CONCORDOKKEN!

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Gizznitt Malikite
Agony Unleashed
Agony Empire
#84 - 2013-07-10 16:39:39 UTC

This thread gave made me smile... thank you!
El Zeta
Maricel Inc
#85 - 2013-07-10 16:40:50 UTC
xxdeathxx thebeaver wrote:
Elizabeth Aideron wrote:
why did you have your safety off while mission running anyway?


my safety was on until i seen the person looting and as far as i knew you had to change it to attack anywhere so i did and of course the person had help from the police before yea i was in the wrong because i spend a few hours on this one long mission and sure enough here's someone savaging wrecks so like any other game why shouldn't i be able to fire on them? So i shot them and concord saves the day! but im in the wrong i forgot... its a profession but its the same thing as looting someones can but w/e



Navy Apoc and fits which was about 850million ? then spent a few hours doing the mission? LolRoll

you must be doing something terribly wrong to spend that much time with an 800+ mil ship.

anyways loose 3+ bil more doing stupid things and ill invite you to join my corp, we got salvaging ships to save your wrecks from unwanted mision trolls. Lol
Milan Nantucket
Doomheim
#86 - 2013-07-10 17:00:33 UTC
Quote:

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if any Dev wants to try and tell me otherwise please explain in detail now the wrecks can't be considered a looted item
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First I developed this software once that made taking a home inventory and since you said any dev here it goes:

First I used a good 'ol friend google and bolded the important parts:
loot
/lo͞ot/
Noun
Goods, esp. private property, taken from an enemy in war.
Verb
Steal goods from (a place), typically during a war or riot: "rioters were looting shops".
Synonyms
noun. plunder - spoil - booty - prey - pillage - swag - quarry
verb. plunder - rob - pillage - sack - despoil - maraud - harry

now salvage:
salvaging present participle of sal·vage (Verb)
Verb
1. Rescue (a wrecked or disabled ship or its cargo) from loss at sea.
2 Retrieve or preserve (something) from potential loss or adverse circumstances.

I also bolded the important part.

and here:
http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/salvage


So looting is what makes people suspect hence "illegal"

Salvaging is not.

So basically what all this means is if you want salvage from sploded ships then salvage them before anyone else does.
Shiera Kuni
Electric Machete
#87 - 2013-07-10 17:10:55 UTC
To be fair, ship salvaging in international waters is actually the same way, whoever lays claim to the boat first, wins. Now, that said, what if the four empires automatically laid claim to any salvage found in their backyards, eh? After all, unless you're in low/null, you're technically in 'nationally' claimed space Blink

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Plastic Psycho
Necro-Economics
#88 - 2013-07-10 17:18:08 UTC
Kimo Khan wrote:


If you have the right to shoot someone without consequences you do not have to turn your safety off. Never go saftey red in high sec unless you WANT to get concorded.

Pretty much this. ^^

Mind you, I don't *want* to get Concordokken - it's just an Inevitable consequence.
Eugene Kerner
TunDraGon
Goonswarm Federation
#89 - 2013-07-10 17:47:50 UTC
xxdeathxx thebeaver wrote:
So....

Has anyone done a mission and have that person come along and start taking your savage? yea that happened to me and i shot the person because it IS THE SAME AS TAKING LOOT FROM THE CONTAINERS and theres no way to say its not because they are marked when the persons name when they are destroyed, this rule needs to be updated to the same as the Looting rule you take it you get the right to shot them without concord or someone getting killrights period.... When we are doing missions and fighting and playing YOUR! game we should be able to defend what we work for not be punished for doing so.

Most might think im just pissed Attention over nothing but its just how it needs to be, if any Dev wants to try and tell me otherwise please explain in detail now the wrecks can't be considered a looted item, The target the wreck and hit it with their savager and loot the contents into there cargo, its the same as someone coming along and looting a container... they target the container, they goto it and move the items out of the container and into their cargo hold. See my point ?

Because of this rule the person had a killright against me and opened it to everyone and caused me to lose a Navy Apoc and fits which was about 850million and i know most of you out there buy plex and whatever but some ppl actually enjoy the game and work for there ingame credits like missions... mining whatever right?

I think this is a bug and needs to be addressed and anyone being killed from the punishments from it should regain what they losted if they was in the right.

Who else agrees they should change this to the same as if someone looted your cantainer ?


AHAHAHAHAHAHAAA

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Kalel Nimrott
Caldari Provisions
#90 - 2013-07-10 18:58:42 UTC
Boom Boom Longtime wrote:
Kalel Nimrott wrote:
Cannibal Kane wrote:
oh hi there future war target.



I read that with Herbert the Pervert voice in my head

People who make threads like this and those who get angsty about scams achieve nothing other than bringing attention upon themselves and their corps.

Its like sheep telling wolves that dinner is ready to be served.


So, you are saying that I should stop posting, dock up and quit corp?

Bob Artis, you will be missed.

O7
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#91 - 2013-07-10 19:11:12 UTC
Nolan David wrote:
Say all you want about the spelling and grammar... the people who have replied with, "that's not how it is though" are being as ridiculous.

He knows that's not how it is. He is suggesting it should be changed to be that way. I know his posts are hard to follow but I thought that was quite easy to pick up on, lol.

Yet he fails to give any sort of reasoning beyond "it should be mine" or "it's bullshit" for why it should change.

In the beginning there was nothing, which exploded.

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Yuri Wayfare
Suddenly Ninjas
Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service
#92 - 2013-07-10 19:13:15 UTC  |  Edited by: Yuri Wayfare
Next time, just wait for the guy to steal some loot so you can shoot him legally. That always ends well :)

"Suddenly, trash pickers! HUNDREDS of winos going through your recyclables." -Piugattuk

Be careful what you wish for.
Plastic Psycho
Necro-Economics
#93 - 2013-07-10 20:12:17 UTC
Yuri Wayfare wrote:
Next time, just wait for the guy to steal some loot so you can shoot him legally. That always ends well :)

Confirming that shooting loot thieves is a good idea.
Shiera Kuni
Electric Machete
#94 - 2013-07-10 20:23:27 UTC
Plastic Psycho wrote:
Yuri Wayfare wrote:
Next time, just wait for the guy to steal some loot so you can shoot him legally. That always ends well :)

Confirming that shooting loot thieves is a good idea.

Confirming that shooting anything that's actually hostile to you is a good idea.

CCP Falcon:  This thread is terrible.
Plastic Psycho
Necro-Economics
#95 - 2013-07-10 20:30:38 UTC
Spoil-sport. P
Relego
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#96 - 2013-07-10 20:37:14 UTC
Shiera Kuni wrote:
Plastic Psycho wrote:
Yuri Wayfare wrote:
Next time, just wait for the guy to steal some loot so you can shoot him legally. That always ends well :)

Confirming that shooting loot thieves is a good idea.

Confirming that shooting anything that's actually hostile to you is a good idea.


Confirming that shooting anything that's acting nice is actually probably a better idea.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=os5TXyJlEMc
Shiera Kuni
Electric Machete
#97 - 2013-07-10 20:50:05 UTC
Oh! I like his idea, do that too!

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Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#98 - 2013-07-10 20:54:07 UTC
Shoot everything, let your deity of choice sort it out.

In the beginning there was nothing, which exploded.

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Plastic Psycho
Necro-Economics
#99 - 2013-07-10 21:17:45 UTC
that means Concord == Deity?

Makes sense - Always watching, always ready with the punishment - Fire and brimstone, Invincible... Yeah. that all checks.
Time to start a new religion in New Eden: The Brotherhood of Concordokken.
Boom Boom Longtime
EVE Corporation 6908469858
Heroes and Villains.
#100 - 2013-07-10 22:48:28 UTC  |  Edited by: Boom Boom Longtime
Kalel Nimrott wrote:
Boom Boom Longtime wrote:
Kalel Nimrott wrote:
Cannibal Kane wrote:
oh hi there future war target.



I read that with Herbert the Pervert voice in my head

People who make threads like this and those who get angsty about scams achieve nothing other than bringing attention upon themselves and their corps.

Its like sheep telling wolves that dinner is ready to be served.


So, you are saying that I should stop posting, dock up and quit corp?

Not you, lol.

I was meaning the OP, and mainly referring to Kane's post as proof of this.

I quoted your post since you had commented on Kane's, and I didn't want you to feel left out like you may have done had I omitted your contribution Big smile

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