EVE General Discussion

Have to say this discussion seems to just go round in circles. A lot of people want EVE to stay dark and dangerous where everything's always at risk. Some folks questioning whether safer might bring more cash to CCP which might be good for the game.

Why can't we have both?

Presenting: EVE - parallel universes.

CCP create a duplicate EVE where non-consensual PVP is just not possible. I can't imagine that would be hard to do. And then allow the playerbase to choose. Want to be completely safe in your own EVE universe? EVE B ---> . Do you like the dark and gritty, constant risk of loss? Stay put in EVE A.

Personally I don't do much PVP (I defend myself when attacked but don't (yet) go looking for fights), but I would stay put. I like the added danger.

But I understand it's a turnoff to a lot of people, and I have no problem with them having a "safer" sandbox to play EVE in. And if that safer sandbox brings in tons of new players, well that's good for both sandboxes as it gives CCP more cash to develop the game for both sandboxes.

Having distinct sandboxes also means the safe carebear isk faucet in EVE B wouldn't undermine the EVE A economy.

If EVE is going to survive and flourish, CCP need cash. That means more paying customers. If you don't want CCP to break your sandbox to attract those customers, then CCP need to build a new sandbox. This might be a quick way to do it.

WoW imo was successful because it came out at the right time.

They kept the graphics less resource hungry by adopting the cartoon style graphics which meant more people could actually play the game.

Back when WoW came out the games always had to make a trade-off between content and graphics, WoW went for acceptable graphics (cartoon, as realish but poor quality would not have worked) and more content.

Some other games went for more realistic graphics and less content.

Trouble with the making graphics more lifelike back then meant that there was far less people that could actually play the games to a satifsactory standard, people just did not have the equipment to play them well at home.

So WoW did well out of it.

Main reason WoW still keeps people is because of the amount of content and the amount of players they have playing it. Plus it's still not too resource hungry.

DIdnt you know that Fantasy and Sci-fi are the same thing? According to any bookshop Ive been into in the last 10 years anyhow.

In fact my local bookshop has a section that reads "Science Fiction" and has NOTHING but books about dragons and elves.

I know its "fiction" but when did the lord of the rings get associated with "Science"?

AND ANOTHER THING.

1984, Brave New World and Neuromancer were all in the general fiction section.
Apparently if your science fiction book gets good critical reviews, its no longer "sci-fi".

In short: Bastards.

Posting in a not-so-stealth WiS whine thread.

I got tired of reading OP's emo-rants that current players don't want change.

I want change. I want walking in stations to be cool. I want EVE to be the coolest sci-fi simulator that encompasses everything it can, just like CCP does.

What I (and many older players) don't want is for the original game to stagnate and die while CCP slowly develops a prototype barbie doll "feature" with unclear goals.



To put it in terms of your restaurant and '93 chablis analogy...

CCP realized their kitchen is getting old, so they upgraded most of the appliances that customers rarely see. In the process, they broke a few heatlamps and chipped a few dishes. Food is going out faster, but cold now occasionally, on bad china too, diminishing the experience a bit. Not to be deterred, CCP announced development of a new chain of restaurants serving fast food (with sparkles!) and as a test market, put some gourmet burgers on the menu here. And then they charged $20 for pickles and catchup.

Of course customers got pissy and left, and of course CCP is going back to their base to fix what brought us all here in the first place.

They'll get back to gourmet hamburgers when they can present it as a viable option too I'm sure.

I think this totally sums up why so many people do not stay with EVE. There are definitely way too many 'special snowflakes' out there in the bigger MMO (and real) world that will just never get the fact that they should be allowed to lose and lose badly. If you can't lose where the hell is the challenge?

Let me give you a hand: http://mmodata.net/

Um, sorry? Adding a safe zone would somehow make eve a fantasy game, add unicorns, elves and special mounts to the game?

I'm sorry, I don't understand your logic. Could you please explain how that is supposed to happen?

Oh, and besides, there is at least one other game which is as old as eve that is in fact more succefull than eve, and that game does not only have safe areas, in fact there is only one place that isn't safe from pvp. In addition to this, there are a number of mini games in which the players can engage in pvp, some risk free, others with stakes and the option to loose your stuff etc.

That game is called Runescape. It's a fantasy mmorpg, but it's certainly not wow. It has safe zones, but other than that, I can't really see many similarities to RS and wow.

I guess what I'm trying to say, is that I don't think any of the players that are suggesting that we make highsec safer is proposing to turn eve in to wow. In fact, the only players that I've heard even mentioning wow is the so called hard core elite of eve. Considering their obsession with wow, I think they ought to go and play it.

In my opinion.. everything in Eve takes ages to do, which instantly makes it a non-casual game :D

Trammel/Felucia split. Google it. It kills games.

2 schools of thought here

1) Make EvE safer and Maybe Raise subs enough to where their ROI is worth the expansions they release while trying to keep player retention high.

2) Make EvE more destructible and allow players to shoot each other in the face which results in them losing their assets. This in turn will result them buying more plex and/or buying more subscription time to recoup said loss.

If you were CCP which would you pick!

Personally, I no issue with the 2nd choice so long as "The investment of money in EVE should not give you an unfair advantage over the investment of time"