EVE General Discussion

And yet in the end CCP are paid in cash for the item, making it a $ purchase outside the sub. Im not arguing for or against the vanity stuff here Im simply stating a fact: it doesnt matter how many times someone says "but you dont have to pay RL monies for it!" As you effectively ARE spending RL money on it, just not necessarily yours!

To put it another way if all stocks of PLEX dried up and no one seeded anymore to market, how would you pay for your vanity item?

Not to mention the stupidity of a link between how players pay for their accounts and how players would choose to pay for a popular vanity item.

edit: see post 43(?) for more

While short-circuiting player industry completely. Ship skins via NeX water down the player-led industrial sandbox of eve because its a content provision that has nothing to do with the gameplay of players.



You are intentionally missing the point.



Because they short circuit player industry in a single server player led industrial sandbox ... not sure how many times people have to repeat this to you before you understand it.



Ah the old "Eve is no longer a virgin so we may as well put her out on the street turning tricks to meth addicts for every last dime" argument. We hear this one a lot from NeX quislings. So I counter with.

Since you can access player industry content with Plex/ISK coverted currency if YOU please. Why do you need NeX as well?



Right so you are the kind of player or didn't protest last summer at the 18 months of abandonment and NeXCarna focus over proper space content right. You are happy being spoon fed whatever the company decides and you don't think customers have a right to provide feedback and direction to a product they support with their subscriptions.

At least we know now what kind of quisling you are.

You're missing my entire point!

You're not really complaining that something is ruining EVE. You're complaining that something EXTRA isn't being done to EVE. I would love ship skins to be player-created, but they don't need to be right now. They aren't player-created. They can't be reprocessed into minerals. They're based off a system entirely driven by RL forces outside of EVE's sandbox (PLEX).

NeX doesn't help EVE's authenticity, but it doesn't hurt it either.

Ship skins in NeX store? No harm done. No need to complain.
Ship skins created by players? Sure, later, to make EVE more 'authentic'. Remember: later. Players want ship skins ASAP.

Iteration. Take customs offices for example. CCP will make PI more player-driven by making customs offices player-operated. Then by adding DUST 514. Customs offices were completely outside of the sandbox, and still are. They're just there. Who put them there? Why didn't players do it? The sandbox is ruined!

Did you complain? No, it probably didn't occur to you.

NeX harms EVE less than PLEX does. See things in perspective.

Thank you.

Its a defeatest attitude. If the Eve community strongly communicate the desire to have player manufactured ship skins we'll get player manufactured ship skins just as we got a near complete 180 degree turn on the virtual abadonment of core eve gameplay this autumn. This is not a time for "suck it up" this is a time for us to let CCP know in the strongest possible terms that they need to work with the subscription and PLEX model they have and preserve the integrity of the player-led sandbox in eve online.



It definitely hurts it for the reasons I and many others have explained to you in posts above.



The harm done is manifest in the erosion of the sandbox. Just as NeX clothes were the death knell of Incarna then NeX ships will do great harm to the notion of player customization of possessions in space.



If you put these things into NeX there will never be a later. Because NeX is the dirty cheap lowtech lazy way of delivery.

He is going on the PLEX = Eve losing its virginity so lets whore her out for nickel and dime handjobs out on skid row through the NeX store argument.

But not realizing that PLEX is a pretty complicated concept that does actually help Eve quite a lot by giving players in cash poor or currency challenged countries(situations) the ability to play the game by selling their labour to others.

Of course to NeX quislings its an easy argument to make that surendering a bit of your principle by stomaching PLEX sales means you should surrender all of it to a cash shop eve stripped of any player industrial element in the division of content.

It robs EVE of something which isn't there...?
CCP can shove skins into the NeX store, and then add player creation of skins through LP or whatever later.


Apparently it hurts the 'authenticity' of EVE by allowing outside forces to manipulate the distribution of power and ISK in the economy. I don't care, though. PLEX helps CCP. PLEX helps poor players. PLEX harms something incorporeal, an unattainable and completely self-contained sandbox.



I tried to be reasonable, but some of you are too stubborn.
A last try for now, hmm?

'Sandbox erosion' will not occur because of NeX ship skins.
NeX ship skins are outside of the sandbox. Just like customs offices were.
They can be added later.
PLEX affect the sandbox more than NeX does. Go complain about PLEX instead.


Ciar, I dislike sparkleponies. I like ship skins.
Do you like ship skins?


Also, Jade, you win the award of overuse of the word 'quisling'. You even manage to use it incorrectly. Oops.

'A traitor who collaborates with an enemy force occupying their country.'
So, the enemy is CCP?
The country is EVE?
How dare CCP invade EVE!

And, no. The 'enemy' is not NeX. The NeX store is a country besides EVE, whom we occasionally trade with.

If it is added, then it is there.
If it is there and not in the form of standard industry, then the game has indeed been robbed of a new industry and manufacturing chain.
…or just not add them in the NeX store to begin with, since there are far better ways of adding the same content.
I would like to hear how that is supposed to happen…
Custom offices were not outside the sandbox — they were the same old ISK sink, now injected in the middle of a manufacturing chain, rather than at the beginning of one.
As soon as someone explains how they affect the sandbox…

This will make highsec ganking even mor lulz than today. Expect increased number of carebear tears and demands for more safety in highsec to protect those NeX/AUR-skins. We are on the slippery slope.

You're wrong, nebulae could be vanity, just sell them to who's owning a system.
New ship models are vanity if you sell it in the nex, engine trails too.
What's the difference between having a diffrent skin or having a different ship model with engine trails? It doesn't affect gameplay.
I really don't understand why people want the nex, you feel that 15€ every month is not enough?

The core of any mmorpg is the economic system : for everything you need to do, you need to cross the economic part of the game. It's obvious.

Mixing that In-game economics with RL economics is dangerous because it change in an unpredictable way the economics.

Saying that plex does not affect the economy of eve is a weak analysis : It indeed CREATE a need for player : the need for PLEX, PLEX are made out of RL money : it does not add isk, it does not add "i win" button stricto sensu, but it does modify a lot of things in the game economic balance : it allow some player to own a valuable item that is needed by others, an item they can create with a creditcard. So, PLEX create a new need : the need of F2P eve. People are not equal RL money wise. The MMO is made of people. Giving people the opportunity to "use" that money lever to gain power / credits over other people in the game DO CHANGE the game, you are no more "an avatar", it is no more "virtual". EVE IS REAL. With poor and rich player, where poor work for rich and where rich do have easiest way to build their "in game" projects. And with a lot of mid-classe who don't give a phrack but won't invest themselves to keep it "that game i play on sunday night".

CCP DID plan to change the buisness model of EVE because they wanted to have a F2P-like which seemed to be "better". Who can blame ? It appears it wasn't. Most of F2P are hidden casinos saying the game is cheaper when it's not. Once the ads effect is done and the scam is over, F2P is no more the "shiny brand new way of doing mmo". The buisness model hits the fan : people who fled the F2P casinos are now saying : put the fan in reverse mode to suck it up. People who have no problem with it asks "why people with more gametime should be more powerful than people with more RL money ?".

A part of the community is extremely hostile to the NEX store.
CCP did mistakes with their buisness plan.
A part of the community is favorable to the NEX store with limits (and some player may even be favorable to the NEX store without limits but they are docked.)

The choice is NOT ours : if CCP is forced in a way or in another to go the NEX store way, they will, that's it. If they are happy that some people enjoy the nEX store and don't want to hear the others...
We can be helpful to them with posts and feedback to guide them to a successful product, saying if we like or dislike something, but it's definitively not our roles to say what should be in the nex store, if it's good or bad for the game, neither it is to put pressure on other player with things like the OPost stating "you are stupid if [insert any opinion]".

And for my feedback I would simply say : If i had to run 10 times more than others in a soccer game to reach my goal because i didn't spent those 20 extra €, i would clearly play tennis instead. Some people enjoy spending money : who can blame ?

Say the ship skin is my goal in EVE, if i had to farm km / missions 10 times more than others to reach it, i would clearly play soccer instead : because soccer is real just like EVE, because soccer is fun just like EVE, because the goal is to kicks things in team just like EVE and because soccer is cheap just like..wait a minute.