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Sovereignty in Wormholes

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Joan Greywind
The Lazy Crabs
#21 - 2013-07-10 06:46:10 UTC  |  Edited by: Joan Greywind
I would've like 1 post to actually explain to him why sov is bad, instead of you suck nullbear go back to null posts. He seemed sincere enough that he cares about wh space, instead of alienating him tell him why it's bad. God forbid we have a decent discussion. It is too much to ask I guess.

Well for me personally, you shouldn't own wormholes. You live in them and defend your right to do that constantly (not really but that is the idea anyways). The question is what do you mean by sov exactly? In null sec getting sov means building super capitals, stations, cyno jammers and bridges, better ratting etc.. In wh space we can't use supers and don't use cynos, and ratting is already more profitable than other parts of the game (we also want people to bear outside of their hole and not inside). The one that is left is building outposts (or stations). In my personal opinion I think living in wh's should be hard and building stations would be make it a lot easier. We should try as much possible to offer different gameplay than nullsec so the game doesn't becomre homogeneous.

That is my 2 cents.

And the trolls shall inherit the forums.
Xen Solarus
Furious Destruction and Salvage
#22 - 2013-07-10 08:00:44 UTC
Adding sov to wormholes would likely mean the larger existing null Alliances would be tempted to move into wh-space to a greater degree, especcially if this includes the addition of moon goo. Personally, i'm against anything that would take away the small corp / small fleet possibility of wh-space. It's the only place left in EvE where small corps and Alliances can carve out a space to call their own. Any encouragement for larger entities to move in would just reduce it to an even crappier version of nullsec.

Plus, Titans would just make evictions rediculous!Shocked

Post with your main, like a BOSS!

And no, i don't live in highsec.  As if that would make your opinion any less wrong.  
Chitsa Jason
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#23 - 2013-07-10 11:26:52 UTC
Why would you ever need sov in Wspace? You just move in and system is yours. No Sov no bullshit.

Burn the land and boil the sea You can't take the sky from me
Kalel Nimrott
Caldari Provisions
#24 - 2013-07-10 11:31:25 UTC
Joan Greywind wrote:
I would've like 1 post to actually explain to him why sov is bad, instead of you suck nullbear go back to null posts. He seemed sincere enough that he cares about wh space, instead of alienating him tell him why it's bad. God forbid we have a decent discussion. It is too much to ask I guess.

Well for me personally, you shouldn't own wormholes. You live in them and defend your right to do that constantly (not really but that is the idea anyways). The question is what do you mean by sov exactly? In null sec getting sov means building super capitals, stations, cyno jammers and bridges, better ratting etc.. In wh space we can't use supers and don't use cynos, and ratting is already more profitable than other parts of the game (we also want people to bear outside of their hole and not inside). The one that is left is building outposts (or stations). In my personal opinion I think living in wh's should be hard and building stations would be make it a lot easier. We should try as much possible to offer different gameplay than nullsec so the game doesn't becomre homogeneous.

That is my 2 cents.

And the trolls shall inherit the forums.



Alienating things is what wspace is about.

Bob Artis, you will be missed.

O7
Sephira Galamore
Inner Beard Society
Kvitravn.
#25 - 2013-07-10 12:20:44 UTC  |  Edited by: Sephira Galamore
Chitsa Jason wrote:
bullshit
You haven't heard the news? CSMs aren't allowed to use that word <.<

On a more topic-related note:
WH was created specifically to have a contrast to sov / the habit of "owning" space. Because that's what sov ns is for!
In fact, CCP didn't even intend for ppl to permanently live there. So I'm kinda glad we are allowed to place POSes..
Winthorp
#26 - 2013-07-10 13:14:00 UTC
Sephira Galamore wrote:
Chitsa Jason wrote:
bullshit
You haven't heard the news? CSMs aren't allowed to use that word <.<..


I'm hopeful he uses that word a lot when arguing with CCP.
Indo Nira
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#27 - 2013-07-10 13:31:46 UTC
maybe post this is the features and ideas forum. i'm sure more people are eager to discuss about your brilliant suggestion over there.

the wormhole subforum isn't as full of people as the FEATURES and IDEAS forum.
Mr Kidd
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#28 - 2013-07-10 15:17:42 UTC
Trolling is prohibited. Why hasn't this thread been locked?

Don't ban me, bro!
Gnaw LF
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#29 - 2013-07-10 15:44:29 UTC
Miner559066 wrote:
I was talking about the Alliance's that say "**** Null" and want to stay in WH space for very long term.



The reason alliances would say "**** Null" is because they hate the Sov grind and your solution to keep them entertained in w-space is..... more Sov grind. Brilliant!!!
Tinu Moorhsum
Random Events
#30 - 2013-07-10 17:27:11 UTC
Miner559066 wrote:
I was talking about the Alliance's that say "**** Null" and want to stay in WH space for very long term.


Nothing stops them.

Craggus
Doomheim
#31 - 2013-07-10 17:27:59 UTC
Make only black holes be able to have sov. Punish those that want sov while all the sane people can still have it there way.
ISD Tyrozan
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ISD Alliance
#32 - 2013-07-10 18:14:12 UTC
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Omnathious Deninard
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#33 - 2013-07-10 18:17:57 UTC
Be glad that you can setup a pos and live in a WH, iirc during fanfest they stated they only allowed POSes to be anchored because they figures no one would want to live in a WH.

If you don't follow the rules, neither will I.
Nikk Narrel
Moonlit Bonsai
#34 - 2013-07-10 18:50:15 UTC
Omnathious Deninard wrote:
Be glad that you can setup a pos and live in a WH, iirc during fanfest they stated they only allowed POSes to be anchored because they figures no one would want to live in a WH.

I can believe that, it has the feel to it that suggests temporary use by design.

No market, no cloning facilities, none of that.

No design ever made it more obvious that a supply line would need to be established in WH space more than any other region.

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Nariya Kentaya
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#35 - 2013-07-10 21:24:16 UTC
Miner559066 wrote:
I was talking about the Alliance's that say "**** Null" and want to stay in WH space for very long term.

Majority of thsoe alrger alliances are also AGAINST wormhole sov, wormhole stabilizers, and pretty much anything that would bring null mechanics to wormhole space.

i was in surely youre joking for over a eyar, i think i have a pretty decent idea of what the "large alliances" want.
Ellendras Silver
CrashCat Corporation
#36 - 2013-07-10 23:22:02 UTC
Miner559066 wrote:
I have been looking around and found almost all of Null sec has sovereignty taken all up, but when I look in WH space we have nothing but POS's which serves really no purpose to many big alliances that do live in WH space. I have actually been thinking don't change anything in WH space leave it all the same, the way it is, but add sovereignty so big alliances and people like that will be able to build Outposts and have their own world inside of the bigger world of HS, but sort of cut off from society and have one of their own. All I am saying is CCP take into consideration to add Sovereignty to WH's so people can actually have some control over it.



you wanna bring station flipping and grinding TCUs and **** like that to WH Attention bad idea!!!!

[u]Carpe noctem[/u]
Arya Regnar
Darwins Right Hand
#37 - 2013-07-10 23:51:19 UTC
Craggus wrote:
Make only black holes be able to have sov. Punish those that want sov while all the sane people can still have it there way.

Lol...

Do this devs, I will laugh and laugh.

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