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Stitcher
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#101 - 2013-07-09 14:40:32 UTC
Indeed, which is why your surviving that battle is a function of the fact that you weren't a legally valid target. I wasn't about to lose a perfectly good vulture to a DED strike force on you any more than you were going to waste a perfectly good Navy-issue Scorpion on me.

AKA Hambone

Author of The Deathworlders

Steffanie Saissore
Tyrathlion Interstellar
#102 - 2013-07-09 14:47:10 UTC
Diana Kim wrote:
Steffanie Saissore wrote:

How many of your own people have you thrown away to pursue your petty hatred?

Interesting. Now a gallentean has spotted me throwning peoples away. How, through an airlock? Should be interesting view. Too bad, I missed it...

Steffanie Saissore wrote:

You talk about honor, yet have none yourself.

Oh really, now what do YOU know about honor, gallentean scum?
Gallenteans shouldn't be allowed to talk about honor at all.

Steffanie Saissore wrote:

At one time I did respect your conviction, but having seen things progress, you have proven yourself to be nothing more than a bully, resorting to threats of violence against anyone who isn't Caldari or supporting the State.

I don't care what a gallentean respect about me or not.
I don't even care what lies you think about me.
In my turn, I want from you only one thing:
TO DIE.

Steffanie Saissore wrote:

You are a slave to your own hatred and blood lust.

Your obsession with slavery is typical for a gallentean. Your people mark everything you don't like and don't understand as slavery. And then you fight it, because you hate slavery.
And that's why the Federation must be destroyed.


You know nothing of the Federation. You are just a mouth-piece for a traitor and an enemy of your own State.

I am not even going to bother with the response I had been working on, because in the end, you are stubborn, pig-headed, and willfully blind.

Goodbye Kim, I really do hope that you find the death you obviously are so desperate for.

We travel in the dark of the new moon,

A starry highway traced on the map of the sky

Desiderya
Blue Canary
Watch This
#103 - 2013-07-09 16:29:47 UTC  |  Edited by: Desiderya
Stitcher wrote:

The reason there's a war on is... well, I can see dozens of reasons, but I don't see any GOOD reasons. We've got Home. We're not under existential threat. We've got all the resources we could possibly want in Black Rise, and Placid's been part of the gate network for long enough and is too full of people who would be violently opposed to our ownership of it to be a resource worth claiming.

I accept the reasoning that placing the Front in Placid is of strategic benefit to the State in fighting the war well. I also appreciate that the same logic applies to the Federation and Black Rise.


You might want to consider why you live in the luxury of this safety. We didn't get Home by sueing for peace, we didn't get independance by writing a letter of complaint to the senate and we certainly are not under existential threat because we are surrounded by nice neighbours.
Strength, and the ability, determination and willingness to show it might have some reasons to do this. If you'd expect any substantial political gain from the State folding in this war you'd be playing a dangerous game.

Stitcher wrote:

You yourself are doing nothing to change the situation. You are, however, doing much to perpetuate it.

And if my observation of that fact and my unwillingness to imitate your strategy of throwing prime steak into a meat grinder in the vague hope that it'll pay off somewhere down the line are that damaging to your morale and that of your troops, then I must question how strong your morale was in the first place.

Step out of your ego for a second and look at this with the kind of calm detachment befitting a commander.


You might take a dose of your own medicine first. I'm neither relying nor looking for praise, because like I've initially said I know why and who we fight for. You claim to have similar ideologies, yet you're the one devalueing their work, whereas we strive to produce successes and, above all, maintain tentative control over our sovereign territories.

Ruthlessness is the kindness of the wise.

Derek Quaid
Doomheim
#104 - 2013-07-09 16:55:45 UTC  |  Edited by: Derek Quaid
Desiderya wrote:

. . . and we certainly are not under existential threat because we are surrounded by nice neighbours.

The threat wouldn't be existential if people like you hadn't taken one man's act of terror as a cause to revise the last war's settlement. You don't get to escalate to war, then complain that the other guy is fighting to win.

If the State laid down its guns, the Federation Senate would probably vote immediately to get back to worrying about p*rn and Quafe like they were before this whole mess. If the Federation lays down its guns, we'll be back in Luminaire before they can blink. Ball's in your court, sweetheart.

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Stitcher
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#105 - 2013-07-09 17:07:48 UTC  |  Edited by: Stitcher
Desiderya wrote:
You might want to consider why you live in the luxury of this safety. We didn't get Home by sueing for peace, we didn't get independance by writing a letter of complaint to the senate and we certainly are not under existential threat because we are surrounded by nice neighbours.


I appreciate the truth of this. Home was won back by force of arms, I have never disputed that.

The lowsec war was started after that event, I am asking what purpose it serves to us now.

Given that Home lies in the very beating heart of Federation territory and that they have demonstrated we cannot realistically defend it, we retain it at their sufferance thanks to diplomatic solutions that were hammered out after the third battle for Caldari Prime. Diplomacy failed and was replaced by war, which succeeded - temporarily - and then diplomacy took over again when war's time ran out. The right tools for the job were applied at the appopriate times.

We are independent from, and not in any existential danger from the Federation because they know that an opne, full war with our people would end much like the last one did. Probably worse, seeing as we're starting from a much stronger footing than we did during the first war.

Given how things stand now, do you really suppose that continuing to slaughter their people, steal their territory and burn their investments fortifies our position?

Violence breeds violence, you see. Violence is a means to and end, and once that end is accomplished... what then? What exactly are we accomplishing with continuing this war?

Quote:
we strive to produce successes and, above all, maintain tentative control over our sovereign territories.


Territories that are only at threat because we're fighting to protect them.

Are you really not seeing how circular this is? We go to war to protect Black Rise, which is only at risk because the war is on, and because Black Rise is at risk because of the war, we go to war to protect Black... gah.

Merely writing that sentence produced an unpleasant logic error feedback in my cybernetic subprocessor.

Or is it that you credit the Federation with being suicidally stupid, rather than merely being exactly as opportunistic as we are? Do you think that if we let up for even a microsecond, the Federation will have us all swimming in Quafe while wearing transparent microbikinis before the day is out? Do you suppose for an instant that your efforts are stopping the FedNav from thundering over the border to tie us down and hypnotize democracy into us? Because if that's your attitude then you're in the same camp as Diana Kim.

Guess what: we won. We beat them. We're free. We're successful. The thing to do now is to sit back and trade and make money off our old foes for the greater good of our people.

Continuing to beat on them like this isn't profitable.

AKA Hambone

Author of The Deathworlders

Desiderya
Blue Canary
Watch This
#106 - 2013-07-09 17:43:50 UTC
Like I said, suuolo, it's not my call whether this conflict is prolonged or not.
Wars by themselves are the continuation of politics, therefore it is not unusually that diplomacy takes over once the fighting stops.
I just see that I can make an impact, as small as it may be, but it is much bigger than pointing fingers or raising chins and noses from lightyears away.

And yes, I am convinced that showing strength makes any resurgence of a truly desasterous war - one that will span more than a system and the CEMWPA territories - more and more unlikely.

Ruthlessness is the kindness of the wise.

Stitcher
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#107 - 2013-07-09 18:10:11 UTC
Quote:
Like I said, suuolo, it's not my call whether this conflict is prolonged or not.


Fair enough. All I ask is not to be criticized for choosing to be one of the people working to bring it to a conclusion.

AKA Hambone

Author of The Deathworlders

Scherezad
Revenent Defence Corperation
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
#108 - 2013-07-09 18:14:57 UTC
Stitcher wrote:
Are you really not seeing how circular this is? We go to war to protect Black Rise, which is only at risk because the war is on, and because Black Rise is at risk because of the war, we go to war to protect Black... gah.

Merely writing that sentence produced an unpleasant logic error feedback in my cybernetic subprocessor.
Suuolo, please consider getting a cyberneticist to take a good look at the interface module of that implant. It shouldn't be doing that - you shouldn't feel anything at all. I can set up an appointment if you need it.
Stitcher
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#109 - 2013-07-09 18:44:54 UTC  |  Edited by: Stitcher
I was exaggerating. It's a Zainou 'Savant" CS-845, these things have a substantially longer warranty than my clones do.

AKA Hambone

Author of The Deathworlders

Pieter Tuulinen
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#110 - 2013-07-09 19:45:43 UTC  |  Edited by: Pieter Tuulinen
Stitcher wrote:
Quote:
Like I said, suuolo, it's not my call whether this conflict is prolonged or not.


Fair enough. All I ask is not to be criticized for choosing to be one of the people working to bring it to a conclusion.


Go! Do it! Although why you think the solution to healing the breach between the State and the Federation lies in REPUBLIC space, I'll never know! You don't think I'll be happy to come down off this wall? You don't think the State could use us elsewhere?

Also, Black Rise is NOT at risk because we fight to defend it. It is at risk because the Federation fights to attack it. You talk like the FDU would slink off back to Luminaire with their tails between their legs if we didn't 'come out to play'. They wouldn't. They'd conquer every system in Black Rise and start with the 'processing centers' the 're-education centers' all the things the FDU have threatened and boasted about on this very forum.

Bah! This blaming the soldiers for the war is beneath you Verin. You know how the cluster works and you know it's not the poor sods in uniform that start these things or finish them. We just do our best to make sure that they go our way whilst they're in progress.

For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.

Stitcher
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#111 - 2013-07-09 22:55:51 UTC  |  Edited by: Stitcher
The problem with warning that the FDU would inevitably storm in with processing facilities and so on is that that's only true if you believe the Gallentean equivalents of Kim-haaniatsa ((AUTOTRANS - literal translation: "anti-citizen".))

As for where I am - talking out a solution with the Federation is something that can realistically be achieved from most places in the cluster with the possible exceptions of Venal, Fountain, Delve, Stain and Curse. Forging a trade relationship with the Minmatar is something best accomplished in the Republic. I am capable of pursuing two complementary goals simultaneously.

And please don't misrepresent what I'm saying by claiming that I'm "blaming the soldiers for the war". I'm not. I'm calling the whole thing a hideous waste of soldiers who need to understand that, appreciated though their efforts are, they should be lending their voice to the call for this conflict's cessation just as much as any other citizen.

If anything, soldiers are the people who should be calling for peace the loudest. Instead, I'm getting outrage and defensive declarations that this conflict is vital.

The service is vital. The conflict itself is anything but.

AKA Hambone

Author of The Deathworlders

Korsavius
Revenent Defence Corperation
#112 - 2013-07-09 23:20:22 UTC
Well said, Hakatain-haan.

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Pieter Tuulinen
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#113 - 2013-07-09 23:23:55 UTC  |  Edited by: Pieter Tuulinen
Stitcher wrote:
The problem with warning that the FDU would inevitably storm in with processing facilities and so on is that that's only true if you believe the Gallentean equivalents of Kim-haaniatsa ((AUTOTRANS - literal translation: "anti-citizen".))

As for where I am - talking out a solution with the Federation is something that can realistically be achieved from most places in the cluster with the possible exceptions of Venal, Fountain, Delve, Stain and Curse. Forging a trade relationship with the Minmatar is something best accomplished in the Republic. I am capable of pursuing two complementary goals simultaneously.

And please don't misrepresent what I'm saying by claiming that I'm "blaming the soldiers for the war". I'm not. I'm calling the whole thing a hideous waste of soldiers who need to understand that, appreciated though their efforts are, they should be lending their voice to the call for this conflict's cessation just as much as any other citizen.

If anything, soldiers are the people who should be calling for peace the loudest. Instead, I'm getting outrage and defensive declarations that this conflict is vital.

The service is vital. The conflict itself is anything but.


I suppose we'll have to agree to agree on that.

War without a defined goal is generally a waste. The best thing that can be said is that it drew a line in space which was not our actual border, so that the majority of citizens didn't have to experience what the people of Black Rise have.

For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.

Veikitamo Gesakaarin
Doomheim
#114 - 2013-07-10 00:02:01 UTC
Stitcher wrote:
And please don't misrepresent what I'm saying by claiming that I'm "blaming the soldiers for the war". I'm not. I'm calling the whole thing a hideous waste of soldiers who need to understand that, appreciated though their efforts are, they should be lending their voice to the call for this conflict's cessation just as much as any other citizen.

If anything, soldiers are the people who should be calling for peace the loudest. Instead, I'm getting outrage and defensive declarations that this conflict is vital.

The service is vital. The conflict itself is anything but.


And here lies the difference between you and I.

The soul of the meritocratic tradition has always been found in the military and nowhere else. For it was always in the armed forces which were focused on rewarding and promoting merit, talent and ability that always proved more efficient, better organized and more capable. Meritocracy is an ideal not premised upon empty rhetoric, pedantic platitudes for peace, nor in the sophistry of liberals and democrats. It is an ideal forged in the fires of gravest necessity and borne in the hearts of those who must undertake the requirements of armed conflict, where victory can only be assured by promoting the best, the most talented and those worthy enough in mind and spirit to preserve the national interest through force of arms against the enemies of the State.

How little then it seems you appear to grasp that in the needs of ensuring the inherent efficiency of military hierarchy and the chain of command that a soldier is often expected to, frankly, shut the **** up and get the job done. As such, since the CEP is the only legal authority to negotiate war or peace in the interests of the State as they deem fit then it's not my job as a soldier to go and be, "lending my voice for the conflict's cessation," or, "Be calling for peace the loudest," since according to my Org Chart it's still the CEP that has that power to decide - not any one person in uniform, and certainly not any "cultural ambassadors" such as yourself living as expatriate in the Republic.

Until that time the CEP decides there shall be truce, ceasefire or peace with the Federation then my job as engaged not only through current military contracts but my own patriotic duty is to continue to seek out, close with and engage in the destruction of the enemy through the application of force and violence in the interests of the CEP and the Caldari State.

You however seem to think what I instead should be doing is what exactly?

Conduct a protest march?

Have sit-in at CEP HQ in New Caldari?

Form a committee and have a vote on whether I should continue fighting the war?

Because for me it's not for you, or I, indeed anyone else but the CEP to dictate the foreign policy of the Caldari State and since the CEP has decided the war shall continue then the war shall continue. Since that is the case then I'll do my duty and what is expected of me which is to get on with the task of war at hand.

I would suggest you can go and file your own conscientious objections with the relevant authorities who might give a damn about them.

Kurilaivonen|Concern

Erica Dusette
Division 13
#115 - 2013-07-10 00:02:27 UTC
Desiderya wrote:
@Captain Dusette,

You're right. It can be tiresome to disect the flock of capsuleers and find out whose opinion matters on the topic at hand and who better ought to be quiet. Refreshing to find someone with such an astute view on these things.

Why thank you, but It's Major (Ret.).

While I might not have the most imposing combat record personally, it's still a real combat record. Proud to say that while some were taking the rank of "Admiral" while sitting behind a desk dreaming, I was out in Black Rise killing my way from Ensign upward. Importantly, despite the circular nature of these wars, I don't feel like my efforts were wasted in the least.

An astute perspective? People are quick to shoot down the OP's excitement, but are even quicker to forget the trash talk, chest beating and racial-smack that takes place everyday in local comm nets found within the contested zones. Do you fly around lowsec, perpetually telling everyone to mind their manners and keep the frog-slaughter civilised? I think not.

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Stitcher
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#116 - 2013-07-10 00:54:16 UTC  |  Edited by: Stitcher
You're a capsuleer, Gesakaarin-haani. That fact alone makes you more than just a grunt citizen who has earned no authority of choice. And it has never been the case that ordinary citizens have no place questioning, speaking, recommending, demanding and advocating anyway. Healthy discourse at all levels is an intensely meritocratic thing. Meritocracy means that the people who make the decisions have earned that authority, it does not mean that those without rank are denied the right to venture an opinion, or to have their opinion taken into consideration. A good, merited leader seeks to act on as complete a knowledge set as possible, and hearing the opinions of their subordinates is an important part of that.

Not only are you a capsuleer, but you are a capsuleer CEO. You are, in short, a commander, an executive and a leader. You're damn frakking right I expect you to do what leaders in the State do and exercise their political power.

Don't give me this "I'm just a soldier and soldiers shut up and do their job" coperkele: you are NOT just a soldier, you're an executive. your job as CEO is to be the one choosing the corporation's direction and exerting your political will on the world around you. Do you merit your position? Because if you are not prepared to undertake that responsibility, then I would suggest that you don't and should give the job to somebody with more backbone.

CEOs don't get to pass the buck.

AKA Hambone

Author of The Deathworlders

Korsavius
Revenent Defence Corperation
#117 - 2013-07-10 01:02:05 UTC
Furthermore, Gesakaarin-haani, you seem to be taking Hakatain-haan's broad statements a little too personally. Perhaps you should take a day off, maybe come visit me again on Abagawa IV, and we can spend a few hours together in quiet meditation. I understand recent events may be causing a heavy, unnatural weight on your mind. Moitte.

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Veikitamo Gesakaarin
Doomheim
#118 - 2013-07-10 10:27:33 UTC  |  Edited by: Veikitamo Gesakaarin
Stitcher wrote:
You're a capsuleer, Gesakaarin-haani. That fact alone makes you more than just a grunt citizen who has earned no authority of choice. And it has never been the case that ordinary citizens have no place questioning, speaking, recommending, demanding and advocating anyway. Healthy discourse at all levels is an intensely meritocratic thing. Meritocracy means that the people who make the decisions have earned that authority, it does not mean that those without rank are denied the right to venture an opinion, or to have their opinion taken into consideration. A good, merited leader seeks to act on as complete a knowledge set as possible, and hearing the opinions of their subordinates is an important part of that.

Not only are you a capsuleer, but you are a capsuleer CEO. You are, in short, a commander, an executive and a leader. You're damn frakking right I expect you to do what leaders in the State do and exercise their political power.

Don't give me this "I'm just a soldier and soldiers shut up and do their job" coperkele: you are NOT just a soldier, you're an executive. your job as CEO is to be the one choosing the corporation's direction and exerting your political will on the world around you. Do you merit your position? Because if you are not prepared to undertake that responsibility, then I would suggest that you don't and should give the job to somebody with more backbone.

CEOs don't get to pass the buck.


Feel free to tell me where I have ever passed the buck of responsibility and leadership, because:

When given the option at the time of quiet acquiescence to the CPD when they violated the laws of the CBT in the Intara Affair, I did not remain silent but instead chose to denounce what I rightfully saw as the overstepping of bounds by former Executor and Kaalakiota CEO Heth-guri. Even though I knew as a Kaalakiota citizen, and CEO of a Kaalakiota affiliate the personal and professional consequences such a public denouncement might entail. Did I pass the buck due to lack of backbone then?

When the workers of Kaalakiota decided to speak out against former CEO Heth-guri, I condoned, authorized and supported the firing upon Home Guard assets in order to defend their lives against those who when placed in the difficult and unenviable position of either prosecuting their orders and failing to protect their fellow citizens or following the dictates of their conscience and being damned for it still chose to fire upon unarmed Kaalakiota citizens. I then provided support and protection as an SCC registered entity to those who survived and fell under my care while also providing the same support and reparations to the families of the Home Guard servicemen who died due to my decisions. Did I pass the back due to lack of backbone then?

Do I currently pass the buck today due to lack of backbone when I, even when granted the freedoms of my position as capsuleer choose of my own volition to undertake armed conflict in the name of the State? I do not feel I have ever been remiss in my convictions, my duty and my obligations to my State, my Parent Company, my Corporation or my comrades and my employees whether it is in the Boardroom or on the Frontlines either as Executive or Commander. I certainly don't need advice on corporate or military leadership from a distinguished essayist like yourself.

What I have not done however, is subscribe to the foolish delusions that I, as leader of what is in effect a small and recent private military start-up wields the sort of political clout you yourself might think you possess but which I personally do not. If you want to play the preening peacock in the Imperial Gardens and flash your brocades of White Feathers then that is your own affair, but I'm not going to engage in delusions of grandeur.

What will I do is continue fighting the war I am engaged and defending the honoured memories of the dead who at last may know peace from those who would seek to denigrate their efforts and sacrifices by stating that what they fought and died for was pointless. A wasted effort. That we should spit upon their memories and legacies just as we would spit upon the dignity of the soldiers who must one day return home their service done only to be told that we have decided to stab them in the back because we would prefer disgrace, dishonour and defeat than to continue the fighting until what is secured is the territorial integrity of the Caldari State and peace that advantages our people into the future.

And that is reason enough for me to continue the war if it means that those citizens and soldiers who sacrificed did so for something, and not for nothing at all.

Kurilaivonen|Concern

Saya Ishikari
Ishukone-Raata Technological Research Institute
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
#119 - 2013-07-10 10:50:31 UTC
Veikitamo Gesakaarin wrote:
Stitcher wrote:
You're a capsuleer, Gesakaarin-haani. That fact alone makes you more than just a grunt citizen who has earned no authority of choice. And it has never been the case that ordinary citizens have no place questioning, speaking, recommending, demanding and advocating anyway. Healthy discourse at all levels is an intensely meritocratic thing. Meritocracy means that the people who make the decisions have earned that authority, it does not mean that those without rank are denied the right to venture an opinion, or to have their opinion taken into consideration. A good, merited leader seeks to act on as complete a knowledge set as possible, and hearing the opinions of their subordinates is an important part of that.

Not only are you a capsuleer, but you are a capsuleer CEO. You are, in short, a commander, an executive and a leader. You're damn frakking right I expect you to do what leaders in the State do and exercise their political power.

Don't give me this "I'm just a soldier and soldiers shut up and do their job" coperkele: you are NOT just a soldier, you're an executive. your job as CEO is to be the one choosing the corporation's direction and exerting your political will on the world around you. Do you merit your position? Because if you are not prepared to undertake that responsibility, then I would suggest that you don't and should give the job to somebody with more backbone.

CEOs don't get to pass the buck.


Feel free to tell me where I have ever passed the buck of responsibility and leadership, because:

When given the option at the time of quiet acquiescence to the CPD when they violated the laws of the CBT in the Intara Affair, I did not remain silent but instead chose to denounce what I rightfully saw as the overstepping of bounds by former Executor and Kaalakiota CEO Heth-guri. Even though I knew as a Kaalakiota citizen, and CEO of a Kaalakiota affiliate the personal and professional consequences such a public denouncement might entail. Did I pass the buck due to lack of backbone then?

When the workers of Kaalakiota decided to speak out against former CEO Heth-guri, I condoned, authorized and supported the firing upon Home Guard assets in order to defend their lives against those who when placed in the difficult and unenviable position of either prosecuting their orders and failing to protect their fellow citizens or following the dictates of their conscience and being damned for it still chose to fire upon unarmed Kaalakiota citizens. I then provided support and protection as an SCC registered entity to those who survived and fell under my care while also providing the same support and reparations to the families of the Home Guard servicemen who died due to my decisions. Did I pass the back due to lack of backbone then?

Do I currently pass the buck today due to lack of backbone when I, even when granted the freedoms of my position as capsuleer choose of my own volition to undertake armed conflict in the name of the State? I do not feel I have ever been remiss in my convictions, my duty and my obligations to my State, my Parent Company, my Corporation or my comrades and my employees whether it is in the Boardroom or on the Frontlines either as Executive or Commander. I certainly don't need advice on corporate or military leadership from a distinguished essayist like yourself.

What I have not done however, is subscribe to the foolish delusions that I, as leader of what is in effect a small and recent private military start-up wields the sort of political clout you yourself might think you possess but which I personally do not. If you want to play the preening peacock in the Imperial Gardens and flash your brocades of White Feathers then that is your own affair, but I'm not going to engage in delusions of grandeur.

What will I do is continue fighting the war I am engaged and defending the honoured memories of the dead who at last may know peace from those who would seek to denigrate their efforts and sacrifices by stating that what they fought and died for was pointless. A wasted effort. That we should spit upon their memories and legacies just as they would spit upon the dignity of the soldiers who must one day return home their service done only to be told that we have decided to stab them in the back because they would prefer disgrace, dishonour and defeat than to continue the fighting until what is secured is the territorial integrity of the Caldari State and peace that advantages our people into the future.

And that is reason enough for me to continue the war if it means that those citizens and soldiers who sacrificed did so for something, and not for nothing at all.


I have to say... Well spoken.

"At the end of it all, we have only what we've left in our wake to be remembered by." -Kyoko Ishikari, YC 95 - YC 117

Caellach Marellus
Stormcrows
#120 - 2013-07-10 12:37:11 UTC
Veikitamo Gesakaarin wrote:
What will I do is continue fighting the war I am engaged and defending the honoured memories of the dead who at last may know peace from those who would seek to denigrate their efforts and sacrifices by stating that what they fought and died for was pointless. A wasted effort.


That's precisely what this war is. Both sides have "won" at some point, yet it continues.

What is this war if not the definition of pointless futility?

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