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No major PVP driver in WH space

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Xolve
State War Academy
Caldari State
#301 - 2013-07-09 14:40:31 UTC
Onomerous wrote:
It is C4-C6 which have less action.


Had a dude in a C5 in a small alt corp for some time, it had a static C4; and I think in the 5-6 months he was in there I saw 2 whole hostiles.

Then again, I only logged dude in once every few weeks- Worm Hole life is pretty boring.
Mr Kidd
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#302 - 2013-07-09 16:42:21 UTC
Bait Orca....conflict driver!

Don't ban me, bro!
Onomerous
Caldari Black Hand
Caldari Tactical Operations Command
#303 - 2013-07-09 17:59:10 UTC
Mr Kidd wrote:
Bait Orca....conflict driver!


If it was that easy, we'd have PVP every night. Bait works very well in lower class WH though.
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#304 - 2013-07-09 18:05:25 UTC
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Nash MacAllister
Air
The Initiative.
#305 - 2013-07-09 18:07:10 UTC
Mr Kidd wrote:

Why do you think TL split and half of them moved to a C2 and the rest of TL in C5 space is still breaking up?


Maybe someone commented in the 16 pages somewhere, but just to this point, the folks that left TL, KAIRS and CLANN in particular, had always lived in C2's. And we always had fun there, and continue to do so. With Odyssey it seems that activity levels have jumped up with much more HS diving. We catch a lot of shite for being "lowly" C2 guys but we are there by choice, not because we couldn't succeed in a C5/C6. Yeah we do a lot of ganking, but we also get a fair share of actual PVP. Both are fun though. People need to live in the class WH with the static(s) that suit their play style. Makes for fun times and I don't know about anyone else, but if Eve wasn't fun, I would either make a change or quit altogether...

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Mr Kidd
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#306 - 2013-07-09 19:12:21 UTC
Nash MacAllister wrote:
Mr Kidd wrote:

Why do you think TL split and half of them moved to a C2 and the rest of TL in C5 space is still breaking up?


Maybe someone commented in the 16 pages somewhere, but just to this point, the folks that left TL, KAIRS and CLANN in particular, had always lived in C2's. And we always had fun there, and continue to do so. With Odyssey it seems that activity levels have jumped up with much more HS diving. We catch a lot of shite for being "lowly" C2 guys but we are there by choice, not because we couldn't succeed in a C5/C6. Yeah we do a lot of ganking, but we also get a fair share of actual PVP. Both are fun though. People need to live in the class WH with the static(s) that suit their play style. Makes for fun times and I don't know about anyone else, but if Eve wasn't fun, I would either make a change or quit altogether...


I think it's hilarious. C5/6 guys' ....."wh pew is dead"......lower classes....."um no its not.".....C5/6 guys....."ewww...lower class scrubs....quick get the bug spray!"....ok ok....really there's not that much that's been said on the matter in this thread but I've been called "nothing but a carebear" by C5 guys, some of whom, I might add, I out kill. And it's just because I live in lower class w-space. Hilarity!

Mr. Kidd here....bearing it up in C2 space.

Don't ban me, bro!
Onomerous
Caldari Black Hand
Caldari Tactical Operations Command
#307 - 2013-07-09 20:36:37 UTC
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I think it's hilarious. C5/6 guys' ....."wh pew is dead"......lower classes....."um no its not.".....C5/6 guys....."ewww...lower class scrubs....quick get the bug spray!"....ok ok....really there's not that much that's been said on the matter in this thread but I've been called "nothing but a carebear" by C5 guys, some of whom, I might add, I out kill. And it's just because I live in lower class w-space. Hilarity!

Mr. Kidd here....bearing it up in C2 space.


You might have an inferiority complex as I don't remember anyone call anyone a scrub based on the WH class they live in. I know I certainly haven't and don't feel that way. Hopefully you will soon find something of value to add to this thread. Until then, fly dangerous!!
Guile SONICBOOM
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#308 - 2013-07-10 05:48:21 UTC  |  Edited by: Guile SONICBOOM
Its no surprise there is less and less pvp in high class wormholes.

C5/C6 is filled with massive alliances who form even bigger pacts with other massive alliances.

If some legit small group pvp entity wants to set up in C5/C6 and the blue donut wants to rapestomp and/or evict you,

then there's nothing you can do about that.

Because:

1. Even if you fight back and beat them, they call in their batphone of half of wormhole spaces who are bored and want to shoot someone.

2. They celebrate it like its some extraordinary feat and discourage anyone from even bothering to think about coming to high class WH space.

I heard from the eviction from TL that the attacking party (Polarized and co) brought in hordes of friends atleast of 300 guys while denying the defenders any possible chance of evening the field. Then it was a massive 200 man fleet fight, where despite putting up a fight, the attacking party still decided to evict them.

So much for good pvp.

If a large entity like TL can't defend themselves then what could smaller groups do?

There is no point other than to farm isk from capital escalations.

High class wormholers are no different from the coalitions and alliances that stagnate 0.0.



I hail the decay of pvp in high class wormholes because of the BS politics and blobbing that happens.

Wormholes were the best with roaming gangs and small groups. Not goddamn alliances and coalitions.
Dorn Val
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#309 - 2013-07-10 07:17:40 UTC
Mr Kidd wrote:

Ultimately, what you C5/6 guys are looking for are large fleet battles so everyone can have fun. Nothing wrong with that. Problem is, you live in the least populated areas of w-space.....see the problem? You might consider moving to null or losec if you really want to fight....with caps. Otherwise, swallow your pride and move into lower end space. Down here we get pew almost daily and most of it comes right to us when people are looking for routes to hs.


Actually I have to agree with you completely on this one -I had a lot more fun when Probe was living in a C2 that had C4/HS statics. We got into a lot of small gang PVP, and frequently complained about the way we were being blobbed by the C5/C6 dwellers. Seems we have become what we use to hate What?

Mr Kidd wrote:
As to a specific conflict driver for w-space, not sure w-space needs the losec/nullsec model.


As soon as W space gets something similar to "moon goo" we'll get over run by the null sec entities...

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stup idity
#310 - 2013-07-10 11:58:27 UTC
Q 5 wrote:

Things to fight for (reasons),

1. WH gas.

2. Sleepers stuff.

3. Great PI.

4. Great mining opportunity.


Those things were good reasons to fight for if there weren't available in abundance. They somethimes give good gank oppportunities, though.


Guile SONICBOOM wrote:

If a large entity like TL can't defend themselves then what could smaller groups do?


No group in WH-space is entirely safe. Some just set the "eviction bar" very high, when they can field 20+ caps und 60+ pilots within an hour without any outside reinforcements.

Things that could have a positive impact on wormhole pvp:
- don't change class 1-3
- reduce number of c5s by half (better chance to meet someone, better chance to meet a specific someone and less farming expeditions).
- refactor c4s to dual static: both to wh-space, one goes up (c4-c5) and one goes down (c1-c4)
- maybe reduce the number of c4s also
- maybe add those wormholes removed from the upper classes on the lower end again
- if there is a good concept for adding a new class of wormholes, going big shouldn't be the answer. gigantic entrances would just make it more elitist. C1 size connections with high level rewards would make it a much more interesting playing field with a lot more players.


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Indo Nira
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#311 - 2013-07-10 13:35:00 UTC
why not dual statics for all wormholes? eeeeeh? eh?
Axloth Okiah
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#312 - 2013-07-10 13:50:01 UTC
more statics (dual wspace statics in C4s?) and more wandering/random connections would be great

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Royal Jedi
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#313 - 2013-07-10 14:17:05 UTC
Axloth Okiah wrote:
more statics (dual wspace statics in C4s?) and more wandering/random connections would be great


I wouldn't mind dual statics in C5's.....
Rek Seven
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#314 - 2013-07-10 14:24:56 UTC
Royal Jedi wrote:
Axloth Okiah wrote:
more statics (dual wspace statics in C4s?) and more wandering/random connections would be great


I wouldn't mind dual statics in some C5's.....


fixed

The wishlist is pretty much complete...
Kira Hhallas
Very Drunken Eve Flying Instructors
Brotherhood Of Silent Space
#315 - 2013-07-10 14:36:25 UTC
Hi all,

Okay I overflow this 16 pages fast.
I habe to say, we live in a C3, we have more random connection than before.
Most time other C3 , 0.0, LS, and C5 Connection.

What i also can say is, most players like LS , HS, or 0.0 More then W-Space, for the simply fact you get there more instant action , and instant PVP, then in W-Space.
We a german speaking Corp and we try to recrute some Players, but big part of them feel lost in W-space.
For WH system you need player how are motivted to live in there, and they have to be Online more then a 2two hour per day.
And well they have to be high self organized players.

So what i can say , after speaking with them only 5-10% of about 20 people like to be in W-Space.

Other like to take a look on it but not realy interested in it.

They oversee the potential of an WH. If you have a C3 with Static LS, you can also farm it.
If there is nothing, colaps it.
If you have 0.0 Space, you can have nice PVP fights.
Like i said.... you need player they like to do this.

Greatings from Austria

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Axloth Okiah
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#316 - 2013-07-10 14:48:03 UTC
Rek Seven wrote:
Royal Jedi wrote:
Axloth Okiah wrote:
more statics (dual wspace statics in C4s?) and more wandering/random connections would be great

I wouldn't mind dual statics in some C5's.....

fixed
for example Black Hole env. effect including extra random w-space static?

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Rek Seven
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#317 - 2013-07-10 15:40:43 UTC
Meytal
Doomheim
#318 - 2013-07-10 20:12:35 UTC
Kira Hhallas wrote:
Hi all,

Okay I overflow this 16 pages fast.
I habe to say, we live in a C3, we have more random connection than before.
Most time other C3 , 0.0, LS, and C5 Connection.

What i also can say is, most players like LS , HS, or 0.0 More then W-Space, for the simply fact you get there more instant action , and instant PVP, then in W-Space.
We a german speaking Corp and we try to recrute some Players, but big part of them feel lost in W-space.
For WH system you need player how are motivted to live in there, and they have to be Online more then a 2two hour per day.
And well they have to be high self organized players.

So what i can say , after speaking with them only 5-10% of about 20 people like to be in W-Space.

Other like to take a look on it but not realy interested in it.

They oversee the potential of an WH. If you have a C3 with Static LS, you can also farm it.
If there is nothing, colaps it.
If you have 0.0 Space, you can have nice PVP fights.
Like i said.... you need player they like to do this.

Greatings from Austria

Indeed. W-space isn't intended to appeal to everyone.

There are areas of the game to suit many, many different playstyles. Those of us who choose to inhabit W-space do so because of the playstyles it offers. If we wanted what Lowsec or Nullsec offered, we would be there and not living in and hunting in W-space.

Don't change W-space unless you add more ways for people to come into contact with one another. It does feel like they've ratcheted up the number of random connections, though it could just be an unintended side-effect of Odyssey; we've found more "Grand Central Station" type C2 systems since Odyssey than all the time before combined. It's rare for our home to only have our two statics now. It's awesome.

The "reason" to PvP should be because you want to PvP. What higher reason could there be than that? If you're not having fun PvP'ing, then do something else. Game changes won't help you enjoy it long-term if you don't enjoy it now.
Sandslinger
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#319 - 2013-07-10 20:43:55 UTC  |  Edited by: Sandslinger
Onomerous wrote:
Time zones come into play as well. Weekends seem to lead to more PVP as the US players can play during the day when the Euros are active. The Russians seem to be very active although they are mostly PVE'ers. If you can get in quickly enough, you can at least kill a few before they POS up.

As stated before, it is easier to get PVP in C1-C3 with a HS static. Day trippers/WH divers can help add some excitement to your playing time. I don't think most of the PVP driver conversation in this thread is directed at those WH. It is C4-C6 which have less action.



**off topic**
Props to No Holds Barred for trying to fight last night. I think you were out of time zone but at least you tried something. Not much you could have done with your numbers at the time. Hopefully on the weekend we can roll through and shoot each other when numbers get a bit closer for each side!!??



We had a wee fleet of "late sleepers" go chase a Drake through a crit hole fleet got locked out doing it then the skeleton crew in Home got told to find our way back in, next static hole we found was yours wasn't much to do about it at that point.
Next time sounds good =)

But aye timezones count for a lot.

To put a constructive off the cuff suggestion into the thread, which Darren mentioned earlier as well. I would very much like to see a Class 7 wh, that has 3 Bill holes with max mass of 250Mio. with NO moons.
with 1 or two super sites that take longer to do with a lot more tackle on field. tackle that spreads points properly. Would be fun if they had holes you couldn't cycle as well. Lets say if you put them at critical they start "leaking mass" and end up closing within 10 minutes or so.

And then have that class have 4 or 5 statics into other type of wormholes only. Like a kind of super highway in wormhole space.

Just a suggestion to actually try to add something to the thread.

The main issue in wormhole space is often just finding someone active, So many holes are only occupied by alts of 0,0 peeps that are only active at the rare occasion when they clear their systems off sites. So probing and cycling chain after chain still has a very low chance of putting you into a chain with the real active dwellers in wormholes.
Onomerous
Caldari Black Hand
Caldari Tactical Operations Command
#320 - 2013-07-10 21:22:22 UTC
It does seem there has been an increase in non-static WH in our C6. More connections can help to increase movement/activity. Increased activity/movement can stimulate PVP!!