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Collective front launched against the New Order, James315 and miner bumping.

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Tinker Vuld
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#1081 - 2013-07-06 23:57:05 UTC  |  Edited by: Tinker Vuld
Do I see a future shareholder perhaps then? We just cracked 106bil, join the party!

www.minerbumping.com - study it, live it, breathe it, for The Code shall set you free.
Sir Mack Inawrex
NEW ORDER DEATH DEALERS
#1082 - 2013-07-07 00:22:04 UTC
Jane Orlenar wrote:
Ofc u have negative impact too but im sure u already know it at least most of u that are simple roreplaying and are not rly delusional that they are doing soemthing good and positive.

Ganking has a negative impact? I suppose sometimes the target survives but we're getting better every day, honest!

"…but now only one beacon of light survives.  A stubborn world that dared to defy Mintchip, Lord of the Lollipops."
Emperor Crash Zues
Guns N'Ore
#1083 - 2013-07-08 14:19:47 UTC
I forgot who said and on what page( I thought it was a couple pages back) but they mentioned over bot mining or something close to it. Well in case most of you are not up to date on current events in eve there's a war on between cfc and Test so at this point over mining is a good thing. Seeing as they will need the materials to make those ships that they are constantly losing. The Codes interference is nothing more then a minor pain in the major war effort that needs to be fought.
Tinker Vuld
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#1084 - 2013-07-08 14:25:18 UTC
There is a war being fought everyday in highsec, it's been waged for over 1 year now, these little nullsec quabbles are but a side show.

www.minerbumping.com - study it, live it, breathe it, for The Code shall set you free.
No Alibi
Sometimes Here
#1085 - 2013-07-08 16:09:21 UTC
Tinker Vuld wrote:
There is a war being fought everyday in highsec, it's been waged for over 1 year now, these little nullsec quabbles are but a side show.

I have to agree there. Hi sec has become THE place if you want to get ganked. It is getting harder to find lonely stragglers hanging out in low sec belts anymore. There are some places in hi sec that you don't want to take a freighter thru without a scout.Smile

I fly by the seat of my pants, No wonder my ass is always on fire!
Michael Hickey
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#1086 - 2013-07-09 01:41:11 UTC  |  Edited by: Michael Hickey
Rennseslear X wrote:
math isnt everyones favorite subject. it certainly wasnt mine in school.

denying that 10m will save you 2b in lost ship, when the ONLY reason to mine is pure isk generation...is just mind-boggling.

10m is an investment.

less bots = more profit for miners who actively play the game.

botters and afk miners take money out of the wallet of miners who are smart enough to realize the New Order is right.

if i was a miner, i would pay my 10m, fire up my 2nd acct, head to www.minerbumping.com, learn how to fit a cat, and gank my competition. best of both worlds.


Agreed.

It's been difficult in my neck of the woods to mine in highsec due to AFK miners and botters. This is why I also dabble in manufacturing, planetary resources, salvaging, ratting, mission running, trading, and hauling goods. Highsec or lowsec, it doesn't matter.

When I do mine, it is now mostly in lowsec, because that is where the more valuable ores are. Why gring veldspar all day once you've tasted jaspet? Sure, I could sell it, but it's worth more to me refined at this point just so I can build stuff.

Also, I go out and look for opportunities in flipping cans and looting dead ships. Not long ago, I looted a dead battlecruiser and more than doubled by bank with all the stuff that it had. Meanwhile, there has been more than one time in lowsec where I've found a dead venture with tasty ore in it. Last time I was pod killed, I was flashing yellow in highsec for looting other people's dead rats, and not paying attention to my environment. It happens. I can't even remember the last time I got popped in lowsec, but I was just a little too slick for the last pirate that tried to gank me, or maybe I was lucky? Shoot! I'll take luck anyday, even though I was already aligned and ready to bolt!

So basically, the only point I'm making here is that there is a lot more to the game than just treadmilling valspar for ISK all day. There is so much more to learn and discover, especially for an enterprising capsuleer with a taste for danger.
Emperor Crash Zues
Guns N'Ore
#1087 - 2013-07-09 04:58:26 UTC
Tinker Vuld wrote:
There is a war being fought everyday in highsec, it's been waged for over 1 year now, these little nullsec quabbles are but a side show.

As if your little gank fest could ever be called a war phffft. It has no major ramifications on eve as a whole where null wars have a much noticeable effect. When your mini battles start effecting the whole eve economy like null sec wars can and do then maybe you'll have ground to stand on. Heck when any miner is afraid to mine anywhere in highsec and cant because they will be ganked by New order then we'll see. Untill then your small fish in a shark tank.
Grand Admiral Simo-Hayha
Vigilante Carebears
#1088 - 2013-07-09 09:27:56 UTC
Amelia Torez wrote:
Many of you on this forum will already be familiar with the actions of James315, the New order and minerbumping.

However for those of you that are not:

The New Order is at it’s very core a well established grefing organisation. Using creative game mechanics they threaten, extort and bully other Eve players.

The stated goal of the New Order is to eradicate bots and AFK players. However, it takes only a moment of investigation to uncover this as a blatant lie and justification for their actions.

Their bullying extends beyond the acceptable threshold within Eve. Their members regularly spam local chat with profanity and vulgar insults, threaten to harass capsuleers to such a degree that they will either give in and join their cause or they promise to make game play impossible and then the capsuleer subsequently quits playing Eve Online. While the attacks seem at first to be non discriminatory, closer inspection reveals that the New Order regularly targets new, vulnerable players as a top priority.

In New Eden, as throughout the rest of the Galaxy one constant seems to hold true – the evil hearted, the war mongerers, simply the bad people within society fight so rough that all the good is drained out.

It's now time to stand up to these thugs

  • To learn how to avoid being miner bumped, have a look here.
  • To report a member of the New Order and ensure they receive just punishment for their crimes have a look here.
  • To learn how we are going to rip this organisation to threads, have a look here.
  • To help save your fellow miners, you can find ideas on how to spread the word here.
  • To make a financial contribution to allow us to ramp up our attacks have a look here. (you may remain anonymous).
  • If you have participated in miner bumping / extortion on behalf of the New Order and want to redeem yourself, you can learn how to do that here.


If you are an industrial based corp and want to make contact with us, please rest assured than if you tell us, we will keep your identity 100% secret and will not reveal your contact at all.

James315 and the New order, it's time to end your harassment and return to normal game play.


I approve this message. James is anal cancer. This thread is the cure.
Sir Mack Inawrex
NEW ORDER DEATH DEALERS
#1089 - 2013-07-09 11:29:03 UTC
Grand Admiral Simo-Hayha wrote:
I approve this message. James is anal cancer. This thread is the cure.

Somehow I doubt that.

"…but now only one beacon of light survives.  A stubborn world that dared to defy Mintchip, Lord of the Lollipops."
Michael Hickey
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#1090 - 2013-07-09 13:53:36 UTC
I may not know a lot about war, but what I do know is that war is big business.
Emperor Crash Zues
Guns N'Ore
#1091 - 2013-07-09 15:51:04 UTC
Michael Hickey wrote:
I may not know a lot about war, but what I do know is that war is big business.

that it is m8 that it is.
Amyclas Lacedaemon
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#1092 - 2013-07-09 16:05:45 UTC
Grand Admiral Simo-Hayha wrote:
Amelia Torez wrote:
Many of you on this forum will already be familiar with the actions of James315, the New order and minerbumping.

However for those of you that are not:

The New Order is at it’s very core a well established grefing organisation. Using creative game mechanics they threaten, extort and bully other Eve players.

The stated goal of the New Order is to eradicate bots and AFK players. However, it takes only a moment of investigation to uncover this as a blatant lie and justification for their actions.

Their bullying extends beyond the acceptable threshold within Eve. Their members regularly spam local chat with profanity and vulgar insults, threaten to harass capsuleers to such a degree that they will either give in and join their cause or they promise to make game play impossible and then the capsuleer subsequently quits playing Eve Online. While the attacks seem at first to be non discriminatory, closer inspection reveals that the New Order regularly targets new, vulnerable players as a top priority.

In New Eden, as throughout the rest of the Galaxy one constant seems to hold true – the evil hearted, the war mongerers, simply the bad people within society fight so rough that all the good is drained out.

It's now time to stand up to these thugs

  • To learn how to avoid being miner bumped, have a look here.
  • To report a member of the New Order and ensure they receive just punishment for their crimes have a look here.
  • To learn how we are going to rip this organisation to threads, have a look here.
  • To help save your fellow miners, you can find ideas on how to spread the word here.
  • To make a financial contribution to allow us to ramp up our attacks have a look here. (you may remain anonymous).
  • If you have participated in miner bumping / extortion on behalf of the New Order and want to redeem yourself, you can learn how to do that here.


If you are an industrial based corp and want to make contact with us, please rest assured than if you tell us, we will keep your identity 100% secret and will not reveal your contact at all.

James315 and the New order, it's time to end your harassment and return to normal game play.


I approve this message. James is anal cancer. This thread is the cure.


You're late to the party, the Tolero Guard surrendered months ago.
Malcolm Shinhwa
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#1093 - 2013-07-09 16:31:41 UTC
Grand Admiral Simo-Hayha wrote:


I approve this message. James is anal cancer. This thread is the cure.


Are you sure you're not a Rear Admiral? The guys at the back are the ones who think a strongly worded memo will get the job done. Hey, if the whole "the forum thread will get them" thing doesn't work out, try petitioning Blizzard, that will surely help.

[i]"The purpose of fighting is to win. There is no possible victory in defense. The sword is more important than the shield and skill is more important than either. The final weapon is the brain. All else is supplemental[/i]."
Plastic Psycho
Necro-Economics
#1094 - 2013-07-09 16:48:59 UTC  |  Edited by: Plastic Psycho
Emperor Crash Zues wrote:
Tinker Vuld wrote:
There is a war being fought everyday in highsec, it's been waged for over 1 year now, these little nullsec quabbles are but a side show.

As if your little gank fest could ever be called a war phffft. It has no major ramifications on eve as a whole where null wars have a much noticeable effect. When your mini battles start effecting the whole eve economy like null sec wars can and do then maybe you'll have ground to stand on. Heck when any miner is afraid to mine anywhere in highsec and cant because they will be ganked by New order then we'll see. Untill then your small fish in a shark tank.

In a manner of speaking, miner ganking does indeed have a large effect on the economy. It creates a diffuse but vast demand for replacement hulls and modules - Barges and their predators both. For every barge ganked, that's at least two hulls that need replacing, usually with many modules also required. A podding requires replacement implants. Hulls and modules and implants are purchased, resources flow to fill the need, ore and components are sourced from all over New Eden, and services are engaged - BP copies are created and used, hauling services are engaged, labs and factories are put to work.

You may not see it because the constant stream of flow lies below the radar, but if it were to cease, you'd see the impact very quickly. Barge sales would virtually dry up, only expanding at the rate of EVE's population growth + rate of upgrade to more efficient barges as skills alllow. Certain BPO & C prices woudl crash, and minerals would stockpile until price pressure pushed many miners out of business - further reducing the growth in barge sales.

Ganking isn't glamorous (unless you find a prize fool mining with Faction mods or shiny implants), but it drives a constant, diffuse, vast flow of resources, goods, and ISK in the economy.

This is not to claim ganking as the sole, or even largest, portion of the drivers of the economy, but it certainly isn't insignificant.
Gankers: We deliver content AND are good for the economy. Blink
Emperor Crash Zues
Guns N'Ore
#1095 - 2013-07-09 18:32:25 UTC
Amyclas Lacedaemon wrote:
Grand Admiral Simo-Hayha wrote:
Amelia Torez wrote:
Many of you on this forum will already be familiar with the actions of James315, the New order and minerbumping.

However for those of you that are not:

The New Order is at it’s very core a well established grefing organisation. Using creative game mechanics they threaten, extort and bully other Eve players.

The stated goal of the New Order is to eradicate bots and AFK players. However, it takes only a moment of investigation to uncover this as a blatant lie and justification for their actions.

Their bullying extends beyond the acceptable threshold within Eve. Their members regularly spam local chat with profanity and vulgar insults, threaten to harass capsuleers to such a degree that they will either give in and join their cause or they promise to make game play impossible and then the capsuleer subsequently quits playing Eve Online. While the attacks seem at first to be non discriminatory, closer inspection reveals that the New Order regularly targets new, vulnerable players as a top priority.

In New Eden, as throughout the rest of the Galaxy one constant seems to hold true – the evil hearted, the war mongerers, simply the bad people within society fight so rough that all the good is drained out.

It's now time to stand up to these thugs

  • To learn how to avoid being miner bumped, have a look here.
  • To report a member of the New Order and ensure they receive just punishment for their crimes have a look here.
  • To learn how we are going to rip this organisation to threads, have a look here.
  • To help save your fellow miners, you can find ideas on how to spread the word here.
  • To make a financial contribution to allow us to ramp up our attacks have a look here. (you may remain anonymous).
  • If you have participated in miner bumping / extortion on behalf of the New Order and want to redeem yourself, you can learn how to do that here.


If you are an industrial based corp and want to make contact with us, please rest assured than if you tell us, we will keep your identity 100% secret and will not reveal your contact at all.

James315 and the New order, it's time to end your harassment and return to normal game play.


I approve this message. James is anal cancer. This thread is the cure.


You're late to the party, the Tolero Guard surrendered months ago
as long as there is oppression from groups like New order there will be freedom fighters to take up the flag and wave it and warning others of your oppression against the free people of New Eden
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#1096 - 2013-07-09 21:05:41 UTC  |  Edited by: Jonah Gravenstein
Emperor Crash Zues wrote:
as long as there is oppression from groups like New order there will be freedom fighters to take up the flag and wave it and warning others of your oppression against the free people of New Eden

One man's oppression is another man's freedom, as evidenced throughout human history.

In the beginning there was nothing, which exploded.

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coldplasma
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#1097 - 2013-07-09 21:07:20 UTC
Can not stand these bumpers. Can't get a single nugget of veldspar nowadays, bloody scandalous, wish the GMs would sort it out.
Sir Mack Inawrex
NEW ORDER DEATH DEALERS
#1098 - 2013-07-09 22:36:40 UTC
coldplasma wrote:
Can not stand these bumpers. Can't get a single nugget of veldspar nowadays, bloody scandalous, wish the GMs would sort it out.

Write a complaint to Blizzard. That'll learn 'em!

"…but now only one beacon of light survives.  A stubborn world that dared to defy Mintchip, Lord of the Lollipops."
Michael Hickey
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#1099 - 2013-07-09 22:39:06 UTC
coldplasma wrote:
Can not stand these bumpers. Can't get a single nugget of veldspar nowadays, bloody scandalous, wish the GMs would sort it out.


Just head on out to lowsec with a Venture and mine some hemorphite and jaspet instead! C'mon! Live a little!
Michael Hickey
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#1100 - 2013-07-09 22:57:52 UTC
Sir Mack Inawrex wrote:
coldplasma wrote:
Can not stand these bumpers. Can't get a single nugget of veldspar nowadays, bloody scandalous, wish the GMs would sort it out.

Write a complaint to Blizzard. That'll learn 'em!


From what I've read and understood, the stance of CCP is that what the New Order is doing is considered emergent gameplay. I'm quite certain that I've read that on a different topic somewhere. But at any rate, it would be wishful thinking to believe that the GMs are going to involve themselves in this matter at any future point.

Nevertheless, I have no dog in this fight. It doesn't affect the business that I'm currently in at present.